Friday, June 25, 2010

(old) Pinned post for prospective faculty to IITs/IISc

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iitmsriram said...

Not actually on this topic - but since this is an active thread, am posting it here. UGC has notified new regulations today; this was a hot topic on this blog last year. Will highlight just one item - new UGC regulations set direct recruitment eligibility as PhD+8 years for Associate Professor and PhD+10 years for Professor (in Engineering stream).

Anonymous said...

You site for prospective and new faculty at IITs say "Recruitment at higher levels of associate and full professor also happen, though this is infrequent (1 or 2 appointments a year). This is mostly from applicants who hold the same level position either in IITs or universities abroad. The procedure followed for recruitment is the same as that of assistant professors, except that the application material is only scrutinized by faculty who hold the same or higher position. For example, application to the associate professor position will be looked by only faculty who are associate professor or full professor." Does that mean that an Indian University faculty should never think about applying to IITs for Associate/Full Professor? Is there any data available regarding the number of associate Professors/ Full Professors recruited in IITs/IISc from other Indian Universities.

Anonymous said...

Read the word "mostly" There are a few people (around 10) who have moved as professors from NCL, Univ of Kerala and Univ of Hyderabad etc. but they were very established (bhatnagar winners etc), so they could have technically moved anywhere. Normally, we talk about guidelines, not exceptions.

We have recruited a fresh Ph.D as an associate professor also. But he is an exception not the rule.

Giridhar

Anonymous said...

Read the word "mostly" There are a few people (around 10) who have moved as professors from NCL, Univ of Kerala and Univ of Hyderabad etc. to iisc but they were very established (bhatnagar winners etc), so they could have technically moved anywhere. Normally, we talk about guidelines, not exceptions.

We have recruited a fresh Ph.D as an associate professor also. But he is an exception not the rule.

Giridhar

Anonymous said...

The new UGC regulations will kill qulaity research in Universities. UGC has introduces an idiotic point based system to quantify teaching and research. You will get 15 points for publishing in any local refereed journal and 40 points for publishing in the best journal say Nature.
A teacher having 20 papers in any refereed journal (not even indexed in SCOPUS/ISI) will have more points over the one who have 4 in Nature (300 Vs 160). Now, If selection committee selects the latter teacher because of publications in Nature the former can move to court because he has higher points. So PBAS favors only quantity and not quality. All University teachers will now focuss on quantity instead of quality. The system of dividing points among different coauthors of a paper will kill collaborative work as people will fight over becoming first author/ corresponding author. At present some indian universities like DU, HCU, Panjab ranked ranked above many IITs in citation per paper, h-index etc. But now because of these idiotic regulations very soon they will loose this distinction.

Anonymous said...

Can we have the link to the new UGC regulations please?
SM

Anonymous said...

http://www.ugc.ac.in/policy/revised_finalugcregulationfinal10.pdf

Anonymous said...

The regulations are available at the UGC website www.ugc.ac.in

Anonymous said...

"A teacher having 20 papers in any refereed journal (not even indexed in SCOPUS/ISI) will have more points over the one who have 4 in Nature (300 Vs 160)."

Ha Ha. Good joke as if faculty in India publish in Nature regularly.

Please name ONE faculty in the university system who has 4 papers in Nature and has not been promoted or is not a professor

Anonymous said...

DU is ranked above IITs in terms of citations and h-index??

Please provide statistics.

Anonymous said...

University Rankings: University Rankings: (University of Hyderabad at top)
http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/sep252009/751.pdf

IITs and Engineering Institutes Rankings: (IISc Bangalore at top)
http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/aug102009/304.pdf http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/sep252009/751.pdf

IITs and Engineering Institutes Rankings: (IISc Bangalore at top)
http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/aug102009/304.pdf

Anonymous said...

Please go through the two links in the previous post. Top 5 as per the citation per paper and h-index are as follows:
Top Five in Citation per paper during 1999-2008 as per SCOPUS:
University of Hyderabad 4.6
Panjab University 3.7
IISc Bangalore 3.12
IITK 3.12
Pune University 2.9

Top Five in h-index during 1999-2008 as per SCOPUS:
IISC 79
IITK 58
IITB 50
University of Hyderabad 49
IITKgp 49

Anonymous said...

Answer to July 1, 2010 9:28 PM
"Ha Ha. Good joke as if faculty in India publish in Nature regularly."

They may not publish in Nature regularly but faculty in DU, HCU, BHU publish regularly in top journals in their fields. For example in Physics you will find lot of papers from these places in Physical Reviews. Is publishing in Physical Reviews easy? It is disgusting to see that you will get only 15 or 25 marks more for publishing in these journals over local refereed journals.



"Please name ONE faculty in the university system who has 4 papers in Nature and has not been promoted or is not a professor"

Everyone having publication in nature got promoted so far quite early because of extraordinary research skills but in PBAS when you have points, only score will matter not how you got that score. if you have 20 papers in local refereed journal you will have 300 points but a person with 4 nature publication have only 160. Selection committee have to select a person having highest points otherwise the apointment can be challenged legally.

Anonymous said...

The retirement age of faculty in central institutions / IIX (i.e with undergraduate students) is 65 years. As far as I know at labs like CSIR or TIFR etc (without undergraduates) the retirement age is 60 years.
Why is the retirement age for IISc faculty 65 years ? I have no bones to pick here, just curious if there is a reason or if that is just a reflection of lack of uniformity (just like faculty pay between IIX and other govt labs).

Thanks.
TD

Giri@iisc said...

TD,

IIT/IISc/NITs are governed by MHRD regulations with regards to pay and retirement etc.

Giridhar

SM said...

In addition to the 15 points for each publication and additional points for publishing in journal with impact factors, the report also talks about distribution of points among authors.

Lets see a few examples and find out the points one teacher (X) obtains from her papers with her coworkers or collaborators (A,B,C...). The (normalized) points shown are for the teacher X.

1. X, A, B, C* ||| 0.3
2. X* A, B, C ||| 0.6
3. A, B, X, C* ||| 0.2
4. A, X, C* ||| 0.4
5. A, X* ||| 0.3
6. X* ||| 1.0

The case 4 looks strange compared to case 1 and 5.

Or did I misunderstand the report?

SM

Mrinal said...

What is the total salary of a full professor with a maximum number of increments?

iitmsriram said...

Mrinal,

I don't know what you mean by maximum number of increments. If one was a professor (say at one IIX) for n number of years and then goes to another IIX, under the 'pay protection' clause, at least equal pay will be given, which may be approximately n increments. Also, the selection committee is empowered to award increments (usually a maximum of 5) for high achievers at the time of appointment. Anyway, the minimum pay for an IIX professor is pay of 48000 + grade pay of 10500 = basic of 58500 + da @35% (due for revision as of July 1) = 20475 + transport allowance of 3200 + da = 4320 or 83295 gross + house rent allowance of 17550 (if eligible, for mumbai, chennai, delhi, bengaluru, hyderabad; lower in other locations). With 5 increments (non-compounded, 3% each) at the time of joining, the numbers become 58500*15% for increments = 8780, so pay = 48000+8780=56780 + 10500 grade pay = basic of 67280 + da = 23548 + transport allowance 4320 or 95148 gross and hra of 20184 if applicable. In approximately 10 years, one will reach the maximum of the professor scale which is 67000 pay + 10500 grade pay = 77500 basic which works out to 108945 gross and hra of 23250. If one gets promoted to 'senior professor', the maximum pay increases slightly to a basic of 79000 or gross of 110850 with hra of 23700. There are other allowances (telephone etc) which I have not included here.

Anonymous said...

Hello,
First of all, A big Thank you for Prof. Madras and all the other faculty members for their invaluble information. In case what i am asking below does not fit the forum regulations, I request the moderator delete the post or let me know and I can delete (Since I assume, if you start answering questions on evaluations, there could be an avalenche of posts).
This may not be a proper question, but if I may, would like to get an opinion on my profile, i.e. If at all I can apply now, or should improve my CV and apply later. This is what I have so far:

1 year of Post-Doc @ top-tier univ. in USA.

PhD in Physics, from a decent university from USA (well known for physics department although bit low in over all ranking) with a renowed Prof. in my field of research( if recos weighs?)

M.Sc in University of Hyderabad.

Pubs: 3 published ( 1 in PRL, 2 in PRA) and 2 are under review. So that makes 5, and there are 2 invited articles in a conf. proceedings( if at all this matters)

Working on some emerging topics in Physics.

What am unable to decide is if I should start applying now,(since the process will take several months) or should I need to make my self more competetive?

Thank you in Advance.
-AC

Giri@iisc said...

AC,

For IISc, we may expect more postdoc experience. Best is you visit some IIT/IISc and give informal talks and then apply next year or so.

Please move your query to the new pinned post.

Thanks

Giridhar

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Prof Madras for a quick response and for your suggestion.
I will move the post I tried to delete the post here because I posted as anon. could not delete it, may be you as moderator can do it.

-AC

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