AP from new IIT my sympathies are with you.@Prof Sriram/GiriWhy can't we have an annual feedback of the director from faculty?As we have feedback of a teacher from the students.
Did anyone receive interview call letters from IIT Palakkad?The website says: The shortlisting of applications for positions of Assistant Professor and Associate Professor is being done now. Tentative dates for the interview of shortlisted candidates is between mid May and Mid June 2017. The interview calls will be sent out by the last week of April 2017.
@anon asking for feedback on directors, the IIT Council has already mandated BoG to annually review the performance of directors (see 47th and 48th council item 47.1 (i) and 48.2 (i)). Some BoG's are asking feedback from a cross section of faculty members as a part of this process, it is upto the BoG to decide how to do this and expand as it feels appropriate.
@ Anonymous --- April 25, 2017 at 1:32 PMI had applied to one of the Engineering departments at IIT-Palakkad. I have not received any information/letter so far.
@anonymous April 26th 2017Thanks for your response
When will IITM conduct interviews for its current round of recruitment?
@venkat, I have returned to department after completing 6 years as dean, I cannot comment authoritatively any more. The planned schedule is for interviews in late May and all of June, perhaps some going into early July.
Dear Prof. Sriram,Congrats on your successful completion of your tenure as the Dean of Administration!One among the main reasons to join IIT-M is the efficiency of the recruitment process at IIT-M, in particular, the transparency you portrayed in this forum.The person who appointed you as a Dean of administration seem to have followed what the below thirukural says:இதனை இதனால் இவன்முடிக்கும் என்றாய்ந்துஅதனை அவன்கண் விடல்.After having considered, "this man can accomplish this, by these means", let (the king) leave with him the discharge of that duty.Thanks again,
@ Prof Sriram"Some BoG's are asking feedback from a cross section of faculty members as a part of this process, it is upto the BoG to decide how to do this and expand as it feels appropriate."What if the BoG is defunct? No meetings, no feedback?
Feedback for higher levels...... Does it work in India?
Congratulations Prof. Sriram and thank you for all the inputs you provided here.
If and when any of you receives an interview call from IIT Tirupati or Palakkad, kindly share the information. Thank you.
Prof SriramThanks for your valuable advice and guidance!BTWThe term of the current director at IIT Jodhpur ends next year.
How long do old IIT's take to process TA bill of the faculty candidates? Is three weeks too early to enquire with them?
Congrats @iitmsriram on your tenure. The recruitment process has definitely become more streamlined, though there is still a lot of scope for improvement. There should also be more transparency and openness in the system to get rid of nepotism and recruiting good candidates. We should also offer attractive offers (higher top ups to salaries/Chaired Asst. Prof etc) to younger faculty (like what IITK, IISc, IITB does) instead of losing them to other IIX's. In fact, we should have lesser number of chaired positions to full Prof., and convert some of them to newer faculty. This will definitely increase our intake quality and will propagate down the line as well. I hope Varghese takes forward your good work and implements at least some of the above mentioned suggestions.
IIT-Pkd website says that -- Interview call letters have been sent to shortlisted candidates in Civil Engineering, Computer Science and Engineering, and Electrical Engineering . In other departments the shortlisting process is nearing completion. The Assistant and Associate Professor interviews in all departments will be completed by the middle of June 2017 ....I have not received any e-mail, so I am assuming that I have not been shortlisted. Other candidates may kindly check.It seems IIT-Tirupati is yet to complete the shortlisting procedure.
Thanks for sharing @annon:IIT Palakkad. Good luck with your other applications.I had applied to the Department of Electrical Engineering and Department of Mechanical Engineering. I did not receive any email from the Department of Electrical Engineering. Fingers crossed for the other department!
@Anon IIT Palakkad, I too did not receive any E-mail from IIT Palakkad. Are letters sent via E-mail/Post? the update could have resolved this ambiguity. I applied for Computer Science and Engineering Department and Electrical Engineering Department.
@Anon:IIT Palakkad, thanks for sharing the information. I also do not know whether the interview calls are sent via email or post. Perhaps someone here, who received a call, could clarify.Good luck with your other applications mate.
Someone who has received interview call from IIT-Pkd may please clarify whether the call letter was sent by e-mail or speed-post.The website information is a bit confusing. Normally, a scanned copy of the letter is sent via e-mail. I don't know what method IIT-Pkd Administration is employing.
Any updates on IIT-Tirupati recruitment? Any information on when the interviews are going to be held? Are the shortlisting for Computer Science and Engineering complete?
Can we expect the faculty recruitment website for IIT Madras to let us know the departments for which the shortlisting is complete?
@anon, I expect the website will get updated as shortlisting progresses.
Thanks for letting us know Prof. Sriram
Today I got interview call letter from IIT-pkd through email.
Anonymous Anonymous said...Today I got interview call letter from IIT-pkd through email.Congrats, which dept? and when + where is the interview?
Can anyone write an update on the IIT-GOA and IIT-DWD Faculty applications ?Thanks in advance.
Congrats Anon@May 8, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Kindly let us know for which department you received Interview Call Letter?
Interview call letter from IIT-pkd in Physics dept. to be held in Palakkad.
@anon May 8, 2017 at 4:54 PMthanks for the detail. Best of luck.
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Hello Prof. Madras and fellow bloggers,I have a question that has been bugging me since my mid PhD life. I am a second class masters in chemistry, but with a PhD from IISc and some good publications. My first postdoc was from Max-Planck and also went fine with some more publications and I hope to get even more publications in my second ongoing postdoc.Question is, will I even get a chance to fight for a faculty place in one of the IITs/IISERs with a second class masters degree since all of these places demand "PhD with a first class in the preceding degree and three years of postdoc experience"? Even if I forward my CV to these places, will I even be considered for a position? Or are my hopes of entering IITs/IISERs over? Please answer.Regards,Q.
Seems there is an update in Shortlisting status of IIT Tirupati faculty recruitment. However, the information is not clear. Did anybody receive interview notice, esp. for Mathematics department (at IIT Tirupati)?
@annon 12/17 7:17PM Got interview call letter from IIT Tirupati in Mathematics department.
@annon May 13, 2017 at 4:54 PMBest of luck for your interview. When is it?
@anon on 24 and 25 May.
@Q. May 12, 2017 at 4:59 PMI am sorry to say that, unless you have a very high quality journals you candidature may not be considered for most of the IITs/IISERs. I have gone through the similar phase, though for an engineering discipline. Initially some IITs were interested in my application, but at the later stage it was turned down and I didn't get any call for interviews - informally, later I came to know that some of the senior professors were rigid about the first class degree.Best wishes.
Faculty recruitment portal at IITM is down.
Anyone got interview letter for ME Engg or Chemistry Dept from IIT PKD?
WannaCry ransomeware? Well I hope not!
Since many current faculty of IITs regularly visit this blog in addition to Professors Madras and Sriram, I would like to ask a question as a young faculty.I joined an IIT a couple of years back and now the initial papers from my lab are coming out. Although I've sent some papers to the 'regular' journals in which I used to publish while abroad, I also want to publish some papers in Indian journals. I couldn't find many good options, but some highly-read Indian journals seem to be 'Current Science' and 'Sadhana'. They publish articles with a fairly broad scope.My question is: is it wise to publish in Indian journals keeping in mind that the selection committee (for associate and full professor positions) will view 'Indian' and 'International' journals separately? Can someone share a personal experience?My original aim behind publishing in Indian journal is to contribute to the development of Indian S&T.ThanksPS
Dear Prof. Sriram,I know that you have completed your role as the Dean of Admin of IITM, but by any chance are you aware why IITM faculty recruitment website is down.
Thanks Prof. Sriram, now it is up.
I had applied to IIT-Hyd in October last year and my referees were contacted sometime in November.But I have not received any further communication. Has anyone got interview/seminar calls from engineering departments in the last 3-4 months?
Can we expect IITM to update us regarding the faculty interview dates sometime next week?
Hello. Can anyone please update on IIT-GOA and IIT-DWD faculty appointments ?
Anonymous@May19, 2017 at 3:34 PMIITH has finished taking the seminar/interview in March. Offer letters were sent in April.
Can anyone comment on the current situation at IIT Jodhpur?I am concerned about the current ranking, reports on faculty termination and dictatorship.Also how are research facilities?
Hello all,I am working as a post-doc fellow at NTU singapore. I have applied for IIT bhubaneshwar 8 months back and got a call for interview/seminar only yesterday asking me to appear in-person immediately next week. I think there is no option for taking the interview through skype. It is difficult for me to travel immediately. Moreover, my current post-doc funding is also extended till Feb 2019. Suppose, If am not taking the interview/ seminar this time citing a valid reason, will they shortlist me for next round of interviews, If I apply again?
@ Anon May 21, 2017 at 5:58 PMI was interviewed by IIT Bhubaneswar through Skype this year. Please check with the dean and your department if they can arrange a Skype interview for you. If they do not arrange a Skype interview and you cannot travel to India then inform them that your current commitment will not allow you to visit India in such a short notice.
Any body applied in IIT Jodhpur? How long process takes? What about IIT Indore?
The IITM faculty recruitment website is now showing "Shortlist Status", but the landing page has no updates on the list of departments for which shortlisting is complete.
I have been asked to give presentation for faculty recruitment at IIX. It is expected in the presentation to 'portray your technical achievements'.I am confused as what exactly am I suppose to cover in this ?Kindly suggest.Thanking you in advance.
When does IITKGP conduct interviews for faculty recruitment?
Dear All,I am planning to apply for the position of Assistant Professor in the CS department of IIT/IIIT. I completed my PhD in the US and I am working in an Industrial research lab. It would be great if I can get more information regarding the following.1) How is the (grant proposal) funding pressure on the faculty? Are there any yearly/bi-annual targets that the faculty should meet? How are the proposal acceptance rates in the govt and Industry?2) Is the 7th pay commission already in place? If not, when is the expected time frame for it to be put in place?3) I see rolling advertisements for faculty. But is there a "good" time to apply? In general, I think it is a good idea to probably apply 6-8 months in advance - w.r.t the time we plan to join?I did go through several comments on this blog and they were very useful. But I couldn't find the answers to these questions. - MVR.
anyone got call letter from IIT-Madras mechanical department or IIT-Palakkad mechanical department?
@anon:May 26, 2017 at 12:09 PM, I had applied to the Department of Mechanical Engineering and Department of Electrical Engineering at IIT Palakkad and IIT Tirupati. So far, I have not received any interview call letter and I am under the assumption that my applications were unsuccessful.I received B.Tech. in Electronics and Communication Engineering from an old NIT. I did MS and PhD in the area of Mechatronics. I have three journal publications and eight conference publications. According to Times Higher Education World University Rankings and QS World University Rankings, my MS and PhD degrees are from a university ranked in the top 25 for engineering and technology. I was expecting to make it at least to one interview. Feeling disappointed. Anyways, its life!Does anyone know whether the new IITs are not interested in faculty applicants with interdisciplinary background?
To the anonymous above:I have a similar profile as described by you (although i never went abroad and cannot go due to some personal reasons). BTech from an old NIT, PhD from an old IIT, with more than 15 journal/conference publications and also INSPIRE Faculty award. My profile is also inter-disciplinary.In the past 2 years I have appeared in only 1 interview at an IIT (a new IIT) and the selection committee members (all from core engineering discipline in which I had applied) virtually dismissed my research as unimportant. On the other hand, candidates with much lower research output in terms of publications and funding, and academic credentials (BTech from state colleges/private colleges, although PhD from IITs) were selected just because there PhD work was in the core area. So, I can say for sure that new IITs don't give any preference to inter-disciplinary candidates, in fact they are discouraged at all levels of selection procedure. Even if someone makes it to the interview, he/she would be rejected in most cases. New IITs want teachers who can run the BTech courses and research is put on the back-burner. Another point, rarely discussed anywhere on the blog or internet, is that many IITs have a strong regional bias when shortlisting possible candidates. Being from central India, I can say that IITs in North India fare much better on this parameter than their southern and eastern counterparts; they call equal number of people from all over India. Although, IITs in North are also dominated by our friends from the east and the south.I have interacted with at least 10 people personally who had applied to IIT Tirupati and Palakkad in various departments and none of them have been shortlisted including me. All of us are from North or Central India. Although, I am sure that many candidates from South India were also not shortlisted, but I would really like to see the absolute numbers from all the regions. You can see the final selections at these institutes after a few months and you will realize that this regional bias is a reality. Anyways, I do think that you have a really good profile and eventually you will find a suitable place. I am also hopeful. But be cautious about what you write in your future research and teaching plan, they should be in line with the department you are applying to.Good luck..
@anon:May 26, 2017 at 3:50 PM, thanks for sharing. I am from a south Indian state and I do not know whether an applicant's state of origin makes any difference. Ideally, it should not, but in practice, I do not know. But the interdisciplinary factor, if what you shared is mostly the case, would indeed be a bummer for applicants like us!Good luck to you too mate.
Biases are inherent to the nature of humans. Our friends from east fare worst in this regards. There's eastern mafia in every IIT. Deterioration of a productive research and teaching culture is directly correlated to regionalism in an IIT.There are some check and balances to ensure a fair system, but it doesn't always work.
Regarding applicants short-listing at New IITs: I have also applied to new IITs (Tiruupati and Palakkad) but my application was unsuccessful too. I have 17 Journal publications and around 25 international conferences. My publications are not from great Journals, but are decent enough in my research field. When I inquired over the short-listing process, I got some information. This time, each department of these IITs received around 250-400 applications (many from abroad) and so obviously the cut-off for shortlisting must have been very high. They would have not even shortlisted 1/10 of the applications. Besides, the requirement could be less. They also do not consider conference publications and count only standard Journal publications. Also, they did not short-list Associate professors to many departments (then, why the hell they call-for such positions in advertisement). Even, I heard a faculty works as an asst. professor in IITM who applied for associate professor to IIT-PKD was not shortlisted (basically, the guy is from Palakkad and wanted to go back and note that could have IITM mentored the selection process). I dont think that there is a bias of south or north (because I am from south and not selected). So, even my application was not short-listed, I still believe that the process was genuine (though I cannot guarantee for 100%) and I suppose that there are chances that I could easily fall into the 9/10 unsucessful applicants. But, let someone who involved in short-listing process can give an anonymous input.
oh wow, 250-400 applications is quite high. Which department is this in? Do you know such statistics for Computer Science department?Also, how strict is the "preferably" under 35 yrs age limit for Asst. Professors?-mvr
Age <= 35 is very strict. I know this from my experience at my IIT (old), as well as from people who were involved in IIT-PKD, IIT-Tirupati shortlisting committees. The person involved said that they put a strict bar on age. Even people just over 35 years of age were not considered.
Actually IIT-Tirupati fixed the upper age to be 38 years for Asst. Professor and 42/43 for Associate (as per advertisement). Only IIT-PKD has fixed the age to be 35 years and 40 years for asst. prof and asso. prof respectively. So, if the same committee involved in shortlisting for both IITs, then, there are chances that for IIT_tirupati they would have not checked the age bar properly and deserved people who just crossed 35 would have left-out in shortlisting. Also, I suppose, the applicants who got contract appointments last year at these IITs would have been shortlisted now and probably thro' in the interview even though they would have not met the shortlisting norms. How do I say this? Applicants who have been shortlisted last year (and not selected) are not shortlisted this time despite having increased 2 journal publications in this year. I dont think that the contract candidates would have increased their publications rapidly in this year. I strongly feel someone should apply RTI/challenge the shortlisting process so that the truth can come out. I see that some Universities inform to the applicants that why they have not shortlisted and at least such a transparency all IIT should follow.
Thank you for answering my question on the age restriction. Perhaps instead of mentioning "preferable" in the job advertisement, they should specify that it is mandatory that the candidate is less than 35 yrs of age.- mvr
The shortlisting process at IIT Madras is completed for some departments, but not for the department I applied. Fingers crossed!
Dear all,Recently I was asked to appear in person for faculty selection in one of the new IITs. Currently, I am doing post-doc outside India. Hence, I asked them for skype interview. Dean replied that for current recruitment cycle they can allow applicants from abroad for skype interview only if, on selection, they agree to join within a month or two. He also told that they conduct interviews regularly. Since my post doc tenure got extended for one more year and as I have given assurance to my professor to work in the extended project, I replied Dean and head of the dept that I am happy to re-apply again for the next recruitment cycle by updating my application. Will they shortlist me for the next recruitment cycle, If my updated application is found satisfactory?...
Which IIT ?
Is the post-PhD experience (in terms of the number of years) calculated from the date of PhD viva or from the data of PhD thesis submission?. I have joined as a research associate at NTU after my thesis submission on 15 June 2015. However, I have defended my PhD thesis on 08 Jan 2016. From Feb. 2016, I am a research fellow at NTU.
@anon: May 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, I calculate post-PhD experience from my PhD defense date. I count the work experience gained between my thesis submission and defense as pre-PhD experience. This way, I am being honest as well as accurate.Since 2009, I live in Europe. Therefore, my answer may or may not be in agreement with the definition used by professors at Indian institutes.
@anon wondering about "date of completion of PhD", it is actually the date on any provisional certificate issued by the University or in the absence of this, it is the date of the PhD degree certificate. The date of submission of thesis is simply like the date on which one took an exam - that date does not signify completion of the course / degree. Similarly, the date of viva is like the date on which the exam script was evaluated - that also does not signify completion of the course / degree. It is only the date of publication of the result of the evaluation that is the date of completion - and the provisional certificate is what states this.
Prof SriramWhat about DST Sponsored project when one move from one institute to another institute?
@iitmsriram, do you know when the shortlisting process at IIT Madras would be completed for the current faculty recruitment cycle?
PS (Anonymous on May 16, 2017 at 12:27 PM),This is a young faculty member from an IIT speaking. Indian journals don't count as much as the international journals. Our institute has a grading system for journals in place and the Indian journals are considered to be second tier. I understand that you would like to contribute to the development of Indian journals, and, I respect that point of view. But it is best to be aware of the pitfalls at an initial state of your career, specially when you wish to apply for promotions, awards, etc.
I believe the time has come for Indian institutes [IISc, IISERs (old) and IITs (old)] to start diversifying their recruitment strategy. At this moment the major recruitment is done at the Asst. Prof. level. There is nothing wrong with this method but it is counterproductive and does not bring in different perspective at the senior level. People promoted within the Institute does not necessarily carry a vision for the all round development. At this moment what India need is growth at the research and development end which is possible only through diversifying their leadership.How to do it?1. Get the best talent from Indian institutes and promote them to the higher position. Give them incentives to move to other institutes. For example, the best Associate Prof from Jadavpur Institute could be brought into the IISc. The best Asst Prof from IITK can be offered a jump to Assoc at IITD or IITM. The best Prof from IITM could be brought to TIFR Mumbai with a handsome startup package with bigger lab space! This will promote the exchange of talent and ideas amongst institutes. At this moment IITX is doing great with filings patents and converting patients into workable products. Why can't IITY with less than 10 patents filed in the last 5 years try to recruit atleast one person from the IITX.2. Get rid of the burden. Now that you have hired 100s of Asst Profs, just check whether they are as productive as their last position (postdoc, PhD and so on). Please let them go elsewhere. We want to be as good as the universities in the USA, let us atleast follow some of their examples.http://www.opia.psu.edu/sites/default/files/spring10-tenureflow.pdfThis report shows that approximately 55% of profs hired at 10 US research universities from 1990-2002 eventually attained tenure at the universities where they were hired (note: gender and racial biases seem small to nonexistent in this dataset). Also, ~65% of Asst Prof. made it to the Associate Prof. level at the US universities (Harvard 50-55~ and Penn state ~75%) In India, it is almost 100% safe job for promotions and tenure! This is dangerous and extremely disappointing. Without any accountability, this is a burden on taxpayers (our Rs).3. Hire senior people from outside India. Not sure how much it is going on but I have seen few examples in some institutes. I believe in bringing some one from the US or Europe or even Singapore to India, must involve high commitment and motivation on the part of the faculty. This could be an uphill task but perhaps worth pursuing it. Even if one person at the senior rank is hired to the leading department, it can change the tone of the departmental meetings (some of the new Asst.f Prof could be more reluctant to challenge old faculty members) as well as the department culture.Profs. Sriram and Madras can take the lead and I am sure something along these lines is already cooking in the head of scientific leadership of our country.
Thanks to Anon at May 31, 2017 at 8:40 PM for sharing their perspective on Indian Journals.PS
Hi, does anyone has any update on IIT-GOA and IIT-DWD faculty appointments ?
To Anon above: Which department? I know that for physics the seminars were held in April.
Ohhh Ok....I was looking for physics dept only.I submitted my application on 16-17 Feb. So, don't know whether that was considered in the ongoing cycle or not :P
Any update in IIT Jammu recent advertisement for faculty positions?
Anybody applied in IIT Jodhpur?
IIT Jodhpur should be the last choice in IIT ecosystem as long as the present director continues. It is an absolute dictatorial system. Faculty have no say in anything.Director never meets faculty and just sends out one way communications which are to be obeyed.Even the NIRF rankings were never discussed.New faculty members are promised seed grant but it is just kept pendingon pretext of so called seed grant presentations.Even they do not get a printer or computer from that grant.If you can bear or tear this system only then you should think further!
How can such directors continue?
To all who are availing Ramanujan Fellowship: Recently, I got my first sanction order from SERB which states NIL money for “Non-recurring”. Officials from my host institute told me that purchase of equipment comes under the “Non-recurring” grant.My question: Does it mean that I cannot buy any equipment/laptop from the annual 7 lakh research grant?
Has anyone got interview calls from IIT Jammu, Bhilai, Dharwad, Goa for engineering departments?Any info would be useful. Thanks..
@Anon June 15, 2017 at 12:09 PMAre you working currently at IIT Jodhpur, since you have shared this experience?
@ anon, June 14, 2017 at 6:46 PMYes, I applied at IIT Jodhpur recently. When did you apply?
Anon @ June 24, 2017 at 2:00 PMI had posted in details of the scenario at IIT Jodhpur on June 14, 2017 at 11:45 PM.Yes I do work at IITJ where MHRD one fine day decided to send the best possible person they could find as director!The post is for two reasons:1. to make aware the aspirants of the current scenario2. to spread a word around hoping that we will be relieved of the dictator/directorThe whole institute in shambles. All decisions are taken by director and a couple of staff members who had helped him sail through the crisis in 2015.Some pointers from 2015 about the current dictatorhttp://zeenews.india.com/news/rajasthan/iit-jodhpur-students-protest-continue-for-sixth-day_1573947.htmlhttp://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/iitj-students-demand-directors-removal/article7069279.ecehttps://scroll.in/article/718653/iit-jodhpur-students-bury-peace-of-mind-in-mock-funeral-urge-director-to-quitFaculty even doesn't know the members of BoG!
@anon, June 24, 2017 at 11:02 PMI do know of the student strike that happened in 2015, but how is the situation now, can you please explain in details what sort of problems you are facing exactly? When did you join and what is the teaching and research scenario? Labs, offices, grants, accommodation, new campus ? Any specific problems would help, as I have applied to IITs including Jodhpur.
IIT Goa director booked by CBI for having ill-legal assets...now it's a matter of question what's the percentage people need to give for him to get the job? start your numbers...For state government, the basic fare is 10-20 lakhs...
Hi...i had my final interview for IIT - Tirupathi for the physics department few weeks back through skype...did anyone participated in the interview or got offer? Please update...
@anon, June 24, 2017 at 11:22 PMHello, was this second interview before selection committee? Can you please tell about departmental seminar, when was that and who were present and also about final interview?
Hello all, I have been shortlisted for Asst.Prof. position (Engg. dept.) at IITM, they scheduled the seminar and interview on back to back dates. Is this the norm in IITM? generally based on seminar candidates are called for interview. Also, I would be grateful if someone kindly share their interview experience (type of questions, duration, any tips etc.), thanks in advance.
@IITM candidate anon, all candidates called for seminar + interview will be interviewed by the selection committee, there is no further shortlisting, this is IITM mode of operation. There is "seminar only" interaction at the department level, this is before formal short listing and occurs earlier. Depending on number of candidates, it is either seminars followed by interview on same day or on successive days. ME and CE have 13 and 16 candidates (AP + Asso Prof), so the seminars and interviews are on successive days. EE, MME, ChE etc all have less than 10 candidates, so seminars and interviews are on same day. Interview is typically under half an hour, plus minus.
Dear Prof. Sriram, Initiative for biological systems engineering (IBSE) has been started couple of years ago at IITM for promoting interdisciplinary sciences and collaboration across departments. Can you provide some numbers in terms of number of faculties recruited at ISBE? Is ISBE still active?Does selection committee prefers candidates with interdisciplinary sciences background based on your experience at IITM?Thank you.
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