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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 683 Newer› Newest»@SM, no there is no uniform policy / coverage across IIX, varies from institute to institute. At IITM, vaccinations that are listed by CGHS as mandatory are provided free while all the optional vaccines are also administered through a cost sharing arrangement (there is a fixed schedule as to when these optional items are available).
how to check the results of the faculty selection after the Seminar/Interview?
"how to check the results of the faculty selection after the Seminar/Interview?"
Interesting question
@anon, I suppose one can ask any of the members of the selection committee. However, the selection committee only recommends and it has to be approved by a Board, so the official result cannot be found using above method. One can make an RTI query, but this also can be known only after the Board approval.
Did anyone got to know the status of the faculty selection at the IITM for the last winter call Nov 2017?
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There is a catch in opting for Institute Medical Insurance, I had personal experience of it:the medical allownce is cut off for lifetime , not for just the insurance period. It does not seem logical, but once Fixed Medical allowance is cut for availing insurance benefits for one year or limited period, it is not restored after the insurance period -fixed Medical allowance is permanently shut.
I also wish to know if this is correct and we can try to change this if this is not supported by valid reasons
@anon commenting on medical insurance and fixed medical allowance (not really an issue for prospective faculty, this being a retiree issue lying at the other end of the career spectrum), there is no reason for doing this. This may be a peculiarity of how the scheme is implemented in a particular institution. IITM does not do this and if it has been done at IITM, this is an error and we can have it corrected.
@anon wondering about IITM winter 2017 faculty recruitment, 10 AP offers and 3 Professor offers have just gone out. As I have mentioned previously, March 15 was the date of approval by Board and date of formal communication.
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Thanks for your updates. By the way, how to check the status of the results?
if the candidate doesn't receive any email from the recruitment team he deemed to be not considered for the faculty selection? or does it take some time to release the offer letter?
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Some of the departments at IIT-M did not shortlist anyone for Winter 2017, does this mean that if the department did not find any suitable candidates or the external selection committee did not find any suitable candidates?
In other words, by default always an external selection committee is formed irrespective of the number of applicants and/or their suitability?
Thanks
Thanks for clarification. What IITM does is quoted and implemented in CFTI. Hence this is very important
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Some of the dept for eg: the CE had a seminar on 13-march, did the results for the CE department also announced on MAr 15, or does it takes some time to announce the results for the department conducting a late interview?
@anon asking about CE, yes, CE results also went to the Board on 15th. Since IITM is working on fixed calendar with fixed advertisements (in addition to the rolling advertisement which offers visiting faculty offers), all departments are processed together as per the calendar.
@anon asking if selection committees are skipped, this does happen but rarely. Even if no candidate is called for interview, unless all applicants are ineligible, a selection committee is formed and goes through the motions of scanning all applicants. This is mostly because selection committee formation is done in parallel to the advertisement - the schedule is such that the selection committee has to be ready by the time applications close, else the rest of the things don't fall into place.
Dear Prof. Sriram, Thank you very much for your clarifications. I am the one who asked about selection committees. Your comment also gives us some idea about the process.
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Thanks for the clarification about the CE results. In case if the candidate is not selected do they receive any email that they are not considered for this time or won't receive any email?
@anon, candidates not selected will not receive anything; I will check with dean if he can send some message about this.
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Thanks for your information. I will wait for the further details
I have a general question in my mind. Did the NIT/IITS considered the life science background candidates ( BSC& MSC) with a Phd and good publications record for the regular faculty positions? or do they considered only people with bachelors and masters degree in engineering case? with a Phd and reputed publications record.
Will this be a case (Life science background) for non-selection during the seminar?
Dear Prof. Sriram,
how to check the status of the individual department results, is there any possible options available for a candidate to check the outcome of their seminar/interview results
?
Since by online with a registered account, we can view the shortlisted status.
IIT M does not give the reason why someone is not selected for interviews even on RTI request. Not sure why that is. Prof. Sriram, is there a reason for this?
The reason is simple, the selection committee found other candidates better than you and selected them. If they have not shortlisted you, still the reason will remain same. Since it is a collective committee decision they don't have to explain. I would refrain from filing RTI because the word will spread very fast that you are a trouble maker and your chances of making it in other IITs will also go bad.
@anon replying, thanks, your reasoning is correct. But it is too late for your advice, RTI request has been filed and replied to already.
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Dear Prof. Sriram,
Did the non-selected candidates after the interview receive an email from the IITM recruitment office?
@anon
The answer is no, and it has been already mentioned on this page (and many times before), have the patience to at least go through the comments on the same page if not the previous ones.
Usually how long does it takes to the reimbursement fee for the travel at IITM?
Dear Prof. Sriram,
I have few very humble and clear questions about recruitment process at IITs. It is difficult to generalized different approaches at different IITs but here I am putting some of thinks in coherence what I experienced from my application process at few IITs.
1. What is the most important between institute from where one did his/her B.Tech and qualities of work during his/her PhD thesis ? I am asking this (may be silly) question because, I did PhD with descent papers (compare to what I have looked about candidate who got job in competition to IIT) with h-index about 5, only different point is that I did my undergraduate from a private - non-IIT or non-NIT- institute. So, I felt during my interaction that faculty members have considered me a candidate with lacking in fundamentals. So, during whole interaction they have just scrutinized my application just by asking questions from B.Tech subjects (on which I am no more working at all) and non-of interested in talking on my research vision, on my papers, teaching approach, about matching of my background to the department, etc. I know that for IITs one should be clear with fundamentals, but I think that to talk on research and teaching approach is more important than just to check fundamentals. One can easily get mastered on his/her fundamentals as he/she starts academic life.
2. Why at some new IITs only candidates who did either PhD or affiliated in other way to it's mentoring IIT are getting chances EASILY?
Thanks in advance.
Anonymous March 25, 2018 at 6:21 AM
Welcome to the world of academic mafia.
When the committee starts asking questions other than your research, consider you will not be selected.
Now a day, getting selected in IITs is not based on your qualifications but your luck. External members of the selection committee and their relation with your PhD supervisor, how the HoD present your case (strongly or normally), Who are other candidates competing with you, what is the requirement of department (in numbers) and many more.
If all the above equations match positively, you are through even if you have mediocre qualification.
If you are a neutral / unknown person, you case should be extremely strong to make it.
For point - 2. Everybody know the answer including you. So, I am not wasting my time.
Any news when the CPDA will be enhanced? How about revised HRA
I wonder what is the criteria for the selection at IITs.
In my case i was called for the faculty interview at one of the old IIT.
I have an academic profile with a Science background (B.SC and MSC) and a PhD from a reputed institute in abroad with a decent academic profile of H-index 15, more than 53 publications and 13 conference papers with several awards and fellowships.
I did my seminar/Interview reasonably well and fairly answer all the critical question from the selection committee/Director and the faculty members.
After i finished my interview, to my surprise am waiting for my result but the very next day i can see the new advertisement for the faculty position again with the same department i appeared for the interview.
this time they mentioned strictly that the position requires a Bachelor degree in the respective department, but when they advertise last time they didnt mention that they require a basic degree from engineering like that.
I came to know my fact that i was not selected for this time, since i wont receive any email from them.
My question is that if they assume that the person whose background is not engineering, then why they would have called/shortlisted for an interview.
I attended the interview with a lot of hopes for getting this job and also did my interviews satisfactorily. But I won't get a job this time.
I felt a bit disappointed with the results. I hope i can make it next time
Any advice from the peers that the Science graduates can able to crack the interview and will get a position in IITS?
@anon, I believe, is asking about hiring of science graduates in engineering departments at IITs. This is always going to be iffy. There will be definite issues with teaching of core courses. Depending on the teaching requirements and available faculty, departments may be willing or not willing to hire science graduates at different points of time. Situation may be different with IISc, but IITs require faculty members to spend a significant portion of time teaching UG and PG core courses and it may not be possible to overlook this during recruitment.
Dear Prof Sriram,
Thanks for your information.
Dear Prof. Sriram,
If possible could you please let me know.
What is the maximum time frame a candidate need to wait to receive his flight fare reimbursement fee after the interview?
In my case i had attended the interview at IITM two weeks before.
Whom should I contact about the reimbursement fee enquiry?
I sent an email to the HOD, Dean and registrar, but i haven't received any reply from them so far.
Your suggestion will be useful for me
Thanks
Anybody got news about DST ECRA Aug 2017 call?
Couple of months back Deputy Registrar of IIT Jodhpur has been terminated from probation by The Director.
The reason cited has been nonperformance.
(Don't ask me what performance means for an administrative person)
As a colleague I know him to be a very honest and humble person.
He has worked hard in relocation from temporary campus to permanent campus,
moving long before the faculty did. The person has been working in ISRO for a
decade as an administrative officer before quitting his job to join IITJ.
His appeal to BoG (The Director is Chairman BoG) has been turned down.
The ministry has washed their hands citing autonomy.
It is very sad to see a person with two young kids in this sorry state
without any fault of his own.
I will like to know if there is any remedial measure he can seek?
IITs are expected by the IIT council to put their BOG meeting minutes on their website. But they have stopped it or completely ignored it.
Not only all the IITs, in fact all the CFTIs should upload the BoG minutes on their respective websites in a time bound manner as a part of good governance.
Good Governance model will be something like this.
The highest bidder gets to run the system. He will appoint his henchmen in key positions like registrar,administration, infrastructure deans, chief vigilance officers etc., who will help in covering up all administrative and financial irregularities. He will get to serve for one or two terms and he will also get his protege to be picked up as the next head to run the system. The henchmen will also typically continue in those positions. This pattern will self repeat like in fractals all the way down to the lowest level. Everyone is expected to fit in this pattern. Those who are to willing to fall in line with this pattern will be labeled as "non-performers". All information that is expected to be transparent will be kept hidden.
majority of who post here do it anonymously (yes, including me). says a lot about what kind of country we live in.
So true..all of us need to post anonymous. Only IIT Sriram posts with original name.
Siram is an administration person. Such people are expected to say only nice things. Whatever such people write should be taken with a grain (or may be a whole packet) of salt. People are now actively investing even their official time on "maintaining" Public Relations.
Looking for suggestions based on known precedence. Request not to start a blame game.
http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/ncsc-summons-iit-kanpur-director-in-harassment-case-118040100333_1.html
IITJ you should ask your friend to consult a good lawyer on service matters
I appeared for an interview at one of the new IITs a few months back. Everything went fine, the selection committee seemed positive and interested in the work i was doing (~ asked some really good questions and the technical discussion during interview lasted for about 30 mins). Didn’t make it. Went back to check their website to find out the candidates who got the jobs. To my surprise they were research impact wise much inferior and with less postdoc experience. The catch was though they were working in areas more or less the same as the existing faculties. So perhaps this may have been a factor that went against me. Couldn’t understand why they sent interview invite to begin with. Never received any feedback or even an official no from them, i had to phone call them and find out. Bad experience but I hope it won’t be the same with other IITs.
People keep writing about bad interview experiences. What are they expecting in a corrupt country like ours? Every now and then in our national newspapers we hear about some scam or fraud. The CBSE leak is the recent example. Many commentators have already given enough pointers about what is happening at the IITs.
At one of the old IITs a second class was presented as Ist class by rounding off his marks. This was 20 years ago. Just a few years ago they even allowed their own very mediocre internal candidate to apply for Asst Prof position even while his PhD viva was pending. This fellow even got his promotion recently. Connections with the Administration matter a lot.
Posts by IIT Sriram indicate that the interview and selection processes are very fair and straight. One should not believe him but believe someone who posts anonymously ??
@anons, sure, take whatever I state with any amount of salt that suits your taste. But I will challenge you to point out any factual mis-statements in any of my postings. Insinuations are always easy, especially behind an anon mask. How many have the guts to throw away the mask?
About IITJ, let me see if I can find anything from the director. There is a process for appealing the director's action, but unfortunately, as the director is now acting as chairman, part of that is shut off. Incidentally (one might even think that it is because of incidents like this) the HRD minister has recently announced that directors will not be permitted to act as chairmen, but the ministry would instead identify someone to hold additional charge (http://indiaeducationreview.com/no-iit-director-can-chairman-case-vacancy-govt/). Further appeal lies with the Visitor, not sure if the terminated employee would take it there or to court.
@anon wondering about travel reimbursement, pl. contact the recruitment section or the dean's secretary, they can find out the status and let you know. If all the documents are submitted, the processing will take only a couple of days.
We are also just sharing our interview experience that also matters for the new comers to know the interview goes
@anon, thanks for the supporting statement, but I would qualify your statement slightly. Selection processes are reasonably fair and straight, but there are occasional blemishes here and there - some deserving candidates get overlooked, some not-so-good candidates make it through, but one can only go by "averages"; by that yard stick, the processes work. Our host here has recounted how even he did not make it at his first attempt. If someone wants to point out two bad cases in twenty years, that is a failure rate of under 1%, I would want to conclude the process works.
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Your suggestions are useful for many of us. Especially your answers to most of the questions related to the interview and post-interview stuffs are really useful for the people who are trying hard to get in to the IITS.
Keep up your good writings.
Unless there is an inquiry conducted by a committee, followed by discussion in the bog, no disciplinary action can be taken against the employee. If the deputy registrar was not on probation, then the above procedure should have been followed for his dismissal.
Incompetence can not be ground for dismissal unless memorandums are issued.
@anon, please read the original comment, it clearly states that the deputy registrar was "terminated from probation".
Also, your comment about inquiry and disciplinary action is missing a crucial point about "termination in public interest", there is a prescribed procedure for termination from service (not dismissal) for incompetence / non-performance. This is in central government pension rules, CCS pension rules, rule 48 (1)(b), which is sort of flip side of voluntary retirement. At the stage where an employee is eligible to take voluntary retirement with pension (could be 30 years service or age 50 or age 55 depending on age at the time of joining), the government has the power to review the performance of the employee, especially in the previous 5 years, and require the employee to retire in public interest. Similar (but softer) provision is there in (old) IIT statutes in schedule F para 17. This clause is generally not used, but the present government has dusted it off and used it (see, for example, https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/over-120-government-officers-sacked-in-last-one-year-for-non-performance/articleshow/58811297.cms).
So far seventh pay commission scales have not been implemented in NITs. Any information about schedule of the implementation?
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Could you please give me the suggestions that how long a candidate need to wait to receive his reimbursement claim.
In my case i was attended the interview at IITM three weeks ago, so far have not received my reimbursement amount.
@NIT anon, why have 7th scales not been implemented? The circulars have come out in October and December for faculty and non-teaching staff. Yes, but of course, ministry did not release the funds to pay arrears or increased salaries. May be possible to pay increased salaries from normal budget, but arrears would require funds to be made available. IITs just got the funds in the last couple of weeks. IITM has paid arrears yesterday, funds arrived yesterday.
@anon asking about reimbursement, I have already given a reply that travel reimbursement should take just a couple of days and you should contact dean (admin) office and / or recruitment section to chase if required.
Thanks for a clear picture after waiting for two and half years
Dear @iitsriram: quick question: After the seventh pay commission, the maximum on gratuity is INR 20 lacs. I wonder if this implemented at IIXs?
Many thanks in advance.
@anon asking about increased gratuity, since this is part of pension revision, this cannot be implemented until the pension revision order is issued (this is my interpretation). However, I have also taken the stance that for those retiring after 1.1.2016, pension would be based on last drawn (i.e., 7th cpc revised) pay and hence the pension is "revised pension". The alternative to giving "revised pension" is to revert these employees to 6th pay commission scales upon their retirement and pay "pre-revised" pension, which is really an absurd thing to do. There is some inconsistency in above, I understand, but this is what is being done at IITM.
Thank you Sriram for the clarification. The pension revision order would apply only to those who retired already. For example, for a professor at IIX, who is going to retire at the end of July 2018, what would be the max. gratuity? It should be INR 20 lacs, no? (As the 7th pay commission is already implemented for these people!)
Thanks anyways and best regards
@anon, as I have stated, IIX have no order that enhances gratuity ceiling to 20 lakhs, that will come as part of the pension revision order only. So, for someone retiring in July 2018, the gratuity ceiling will be 10 lakhs only as per prevailing pension orders. Further, the pension will be fixed at 50% of last drawn pay, in line with prevailing pension orders. However, as the employee has already received 7th pay commission pay, this will become 50% of last drawn (revised) pay, so the pension will be as per what is expected under 7th cpc. As and when pension revision orders (along with gratuity ceiling increase) is issued, this retiree will get arrears of gratuity.
Can anyone comment what are the chances of relief if legal course is sought in this case of termination in probation?
@IITJ, chances are more or less nil. Conditions of probation clearly state that the services can be terminated without any reason whatsoever. The only usual legal requirement is that the termination order should not be stigmatic. Courts have given great leeway, even ruling that statements like employee lacks professional capability, was unfit for carrying out work, was negligent and careless, conduct was deplorable, indulged in acts of indiscipline and insubordination do not amount to a stigmatic order. Further, legal position is that principles of natural justice need not be followed in the case of termination of probationer (meaning, there is no compulsion to issue a show cause notice or some such and seek a response from the probationer before issuing termination order). As long as the order does not impute anything beyond unsuitability for the post, it is not considered stigmatic.
Once the pay is revised, ministry has clarified that commutation(40%) will be as per revised pay unless opted for lower.
Hence pension will be as per revised pay. The strange thing is pension will get reduced by9000 or so as commutation is on basic pay
@anon, not sure which ministry clarification you are talking about; perhaps finance ministry, and clarification in the context of all government employees / pensioners. Nothing strange, this happens at every pay commission in transition to those who retire after the pay revision date but before the pay is actually revised.
To expand as an example, this happens to IIX faculty who retired after 1.1.2016 upto last month, say. As they retired before implementation of 7th CPC pay revision, they would have received pension based on 6th pay commission pre-revised scale and also commutation of pension based on that. Now that the pay is revised as on their date of retirement, they are given a choice to retain the old commutation amount (based on pre-revised pay) or get a revised commutation lump sum (based on revised pay). If they retain the old commutation amount, the reduction in pension will be based on that and if they get a revised commutation amount, of course, the reduction in pension will be based on this revised amount. As the revised amount is larger, of course the pension will decrease (by Rs. 9000 or whatever). What is strange about this?
To give a specific numerical example to above issue, let us say that I was older and retired in Jan 2016.
My pay as of 1.1.2016 was 79000, so my standard pension would be half of 79000 = 39500 + dearness relief of 125% or 39500 + 49375 = 88875 per month. If I choose the max 40% commutation, the commutation factor being 7.591 (with age 65 at retirement, age on next birthday =66, looking up government of India commutation factors table), I would have collected 39500*40%*7.591*12 = Rs. 14,39,250 as lump sum settlement in return for giving up 40% i.e., 40%*39500= 15800 of my monthly pension for the next 15 years. So, my pension (with commutation) would have become 88875-15800 = 73075. I would continue along this line, with pension as 39500+ DA (dearness relief, actually) on this - 15800.
Now, with 7th pay commission implemented, my pay is revised to 205100 as on 1.1.2016 with nil dearness allowance / relief. So, the pension becomes 205100/2 = 102550.
(a) If I choose to leave my commutation alone, my pension becomes 102550 - 15800 = 86750 instead of the previous sixth pay commission pre-revised salary based 73075. I would continue along this line, with pension as 102550 +7th pay commission DA on this 102550 - 15800.
(b) If I choose re-commutation, my fresh commutation amount becomes 102550*40%*7.591*12 = 37,36,590; as I have already received 14,39,250, I will get fresh commutation amount of 22,97,340 (we can also arrive at this amount by doing 40% of 102550 - 40% of 39500 = 25220 times 7.591*12). However, as I am giving up 40% of 102550 as commutation, I am giving up 41020 of my pension. So, my pension would become 102550-41020 = 61530. I would then continue along this line, with pension as 102550 + 7th pay commission DA on this 102550 - 41020.
In summary, "pre-revised" pension = 39500 + 6th pay commission DA on 39500 - 15800 = 73075 as of Feb 2016. "Revised" pension due to revision of salary, without re-commutation = 102550 + 7th pay commission DA on 102550 - 15800 = 86750 as of Feb 2016 and with re-commutation it is 102550 + 7th pay commission DA on 102550 - 41020 = 61530 and additional lump sum of 22,97,340 as of Feb 2016.
I should not call it strange that 61530 is less than 73075 as I took a lump sum payment of 22.97 lakhs. If I did not take this lump sum, pension would have increased from 73075 to 86750. Most folks choose to take the additional lump sum, so they may see the pension drop. After 15 years, commutation is restored, so everyone gets the same pension.
Addendum to above post; one is not required to fix commutation at 40%, it is upto 40%. So, in above case, if I did not want my pension to drop but do want to choose partial re-commutation, I can do so. Presumably, I want pension to remain same at 73075 as of Feb 2016. So, the amount to be commutated is 102550 - 73075 = 29475; so, I choose fresh re-commutation at 29475/102550 or 28.75% or 28%, say.
Redoing with this, gives commuted portion of pension = 28 % of 102550 = 28714. Pension will henceforth be 102550 + 7th pay commission DA on 102550 - 28714 = 73836 as of Feb 2016, goes up slightly from the previous ore-revised 73075 (if we do exactly at 28.742%, we will get exact same amount of 73075). I will also get a fresh lump sum corresponding to 28714 - 15800 = 12914 times 7.591*12 or 11,76,360 (compared to the full re-commutation amount of 22,97,340).
Government has amended gratuity act for a ceiling of 20 lakh for all organisations. Hence no separate action is required
Is it not advisable to opt for 40% commutation with the present mindset to do away with old pension scheme?
If J is amount of pension (at a pay of 2 J) pension at present is 0.6 J+ 1.25 J i.e 1.85J
It will be 0.6(0.5(2J+(1.4(14.5% increase) 2J I.e 1.44J. Less by. 41J.
Commutation will be 0.96(0.4*2.4)J instead of 0.4J monthly to be multiplied by 7.59*12
DA amount (not only percentage) is lower under seventh pay. So recovery when corrected
An opposite effect was when GDP & GVA base changed from 2001 to 2011
@anon, IIX are not paying gratuity under the gratuity act but under their own statutes / CCS pension rules, so any change to payment of gratuity act has no effect on IIX. While CCS pension rules have been updated, there is a specific direction from MHRD to CFTIs not to revise pension until appropriate orders are issued.
@anon giving symbolic expression for change in pension, the formula gives an idea but does not match actual figures as increase in pay is not by a constant factor. Using HAG as an example, the step increase is almost 21% for someone at the entry level, but drops down to below 16% for someone at the other end (step increase = increase expressed as a percentage of pre-revised pay). In fact, pay revision far enough away from entry point will be from 2.25 (DA factor) to 2.57 (fitment factor) or 0.32 on 2.25 or about 14% step increase, perhaps that is your 14.5% factor.
@anon commenting about DA and DA percentage, it is all based on CPI, so there is theoretically no difference either percentage wise or actual amount wise between 6th pay commission DA or 7th pay commission DA. Unfortunately, the government rounds down the DA percentage, so some artefacts crop up. For example, the 125% benchmark that is often used for 7th pay commission implementation, which is the DA effective from 1.1.2016, the figure is actually more like 125.8%. The effect was even bigger when the DA moved to 136% in Jan 2017, when the raw figure was actually more than 136.9%. Of course, if it is going just a bit over a whole number, the effect is not much. The actual figures since 7th pay commission implementation and the DA notified values are 2.9% (2% notified), 4.9% (4 % notified), 5.9% (5 %) and 7.6% (7%). Depending on whether the 6th pay commission raw figure or 7th pay commission raw figure is going well over the integer, one or the other DA may appear to be more. Of course, with 6th pay commission DA figures well over 100% whereas 7th pay commission is hovering in the single digits, the 6th pay commission figure is less affected by the round down effect.
Does anyone know how long does it take to disclose the results of IIT-Hyd Faculty (Chem Engg)interviews held on 28th March. Do they inform the candidates even if not selected? As usual they (current faculty) are not responding to e-mail queries.
Thanks
Is autonomy good for IITs or does more harm?
Officially, results can be announced only after BOG approval. In any case, if you don't hear from them in 3-4 weeks, chances are that you did not make it in the interview.
anyone has any information on whether IITH Civil Engg. department also conducted interviews recently?
Is IIT- Hyderabad Computer Science Department Interview scheduled for this month or next month or is it already completed?
does some one know about IIT ropar?
@iitmsriram Do you have any idea about the revised allowances one can expect for IITs and IIMs. In our IIT, we get the allowances at per with the sixth CPC without revision.
@anon wondering about allowances, as per current specific directions from MHRD, allowances are continuing as per old sixth pay commission only (except for DA). I have brought it to the attention of MHRD that finance ministry has issued a circular stating that in the case of allowances that are on the same pattern as government, autonomous institutions may switch to 7th pay commission scheme (MHRD was unaware of this circular), but nothing has happened since. MHRD has taken the financial implications statement from all institutions for revised allowances, presumably to work into their budget. Except for CPDA, there is no reason why our allowances will be any different from rest of government. CPDA has been recommended to be at 2 lakhs per year, don't know which way the ministry will go.
Dear Prof Sriram, IITM website does not seem to have standing advertisement anymore. Does it mean that IITM will be recruiting only for the advertised positions and areas ? How are the applications (with research field outside the advertised areas and sent directly to the depts) considered? Are they processed together with the application received against formal advertisement? Thank you for your kind help.
@anon wondering about standing ad for IITM, the standing ad goes down while a dated ad is on. The standing ad will come back up once this recruitment cycle finishes, around end of July. Applications in areas outside of the advertised area will not be considered against the advertisement. They will be considered when received against the standing ad. Note that the standing ad does not use the web site for online applications, this is typically by just sending a soft copy application package.
Thank you Prof Sriram. I wonder whether the timeline for selection against standing ad is extended (upto an year?). I believe recruitment is also not frequent.
@Am, there is no time line for recruitment against standing ad. Fixed date recruitment is twice a year at IITM, ad comes out around March and September, I don't know if you can get any more frequent than this.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant "recruitment is perhaps not frequent against the standing advertisement". Of course, for fixed date recruitment, IITM has one of the most streamlined process.
I am a faculty in IISc. I would like to ask what a young faculty should do when he/she is harassed by a few senior faculties. These faculties (and some scientific officers) don't do any research and want others / youngers should not do any research. Any faculty who work, these faculties gang-up to block that faculty. Unfortunately all other good minded people including the administration knows all this, but doesn't do anything!
"I am a faculty in IISc. I would like to ask what a young faculty should do.."
This is laughable. This is expected in IISc. Ask how much the blog host is disliked by many in IISc? His crime, he has published more papers than anyone else in the last 20 years. \
The administration does not want you to work, why should they do anything. There is a famous quote by your ex-director from IISc, "We (the admin) like people who do not talk. We do not care whether they work or not."
My advice to you : Enjoy life..stop working. At the worst case, publish 1-2 papers a year to show you exist. If you really want to perform, go to the USA. Maybe you came from there. Then go back there. Please do not expect IISc/IIT to change.
How can anybody stop you from doing research? If they don't give you Ph.D. students hire from your own projects. I can guarantee you that you can excel, you have to just keep working. Sometimes getting space is tricky and if you are an experimentalist it will take some time for you to set up the lab. However, if you are a theorist or a computational guy, you don't have to depend on anyone.
In IISc, you cannot hire ph.d students from your projects. you can only take students from departmental quota and this is restricted to 1 per year and many do not even get that. While theory people have lots of space, experimentalists struggle with minimal space with no scope of expansion. And the lab space given to us is exactly same as someone who has not graduated a single student in 20 years.
@young iisc faculty, ignore the anon advising about publishing 1 - 2 papers a year, one can and should do much better than that. The average for IISc faculty is about 5 papers a year (as indexed in SCOPUS), IITs are now getting close at about 4 papers, this is not too bad. You should have one or two approachable senior colleagues as informal mentors, who can help you negotiate the landscape, they will always be able to give direction when things looks not-so-good. There are non-productive and cynical people everywhere, the trick is to find ways to go around them. It may be difficult in the beginning years, but soon you will be in a position to change the landscape - it will come sooner than you think. I will definitely count IISc in the list of organisations that find ways to sideline the non-productive (hinderance) people and get the focus on the productive lot, that is how the overall productivity is respectable. If you cannot find the well - meaning local seniors yourself, email me offline with some details, I will suggest some names.
" The average for IISc faculty is about 5 papers a year (as indexed in SCOPUS), "
You are right. That is the average. What is the median ? The median is 1.
The blog host has written a paper in current science discussing the publication profiles of IISc faculty. In it he mentions that roughly 80% of the papers originates from 25% of the faculty (and discusses about the Pareto principle in his paper).
Using this, 2200 papers by 450 faculty. Roughly 1500 by 100 faculty (with some faculty such as blog host publishing in excess of 25 papers per year). Rest 700 are from 350 faculty (with some publishing 3-4 and others zero). Thus average of 1-2 papers is correct for the majority of the faculty. As he said, the median is 1. Considering this paper is more than 5 years old, when the average was 4 and now it has increased from 4 to 5, the median may be now 1.5, not significantly higher than this.
The anon who is advising by publishing 1-2 papers is spot on because he is telling "be the average in the group and you will not be disliked" If you publish > 20 papers per year, something is wrong with you and people around you will become jealous, pull you down and criticize you all the time. Let the blog host tell that this is not true in IISc. Even how he has been abused in this forum for publishing "too much" is a testament to this observation.
I am a faculty in IISc for sometime now. I did do well in that I got a few coveted awards at a relatively young age. The key thing to remain productive and focused is not to listen to anyone and grow a thick skin. There will be rampant criticisms: For e.g. if you publish people will say he is all about papers and there is no patent/product. If you do that, people will come up with other metrices. So best is to ignore and do your job. Do not expect too many things from admin. Get your own funds and do your own work.
Please keep continue to do good work. I was harassed in one of established IIT since my h-index was highest in the dept. Our research is getting attention from media.
April 15, 2018 at 9:36 PM:
What is your h-index? how does it compare to the blog host?
https://www.firstpost.com/india/harassment-of-dalit-professor-in-iit-kanpur-exemplifies-the-subtle-ways-of-caste-discrimination-in-india-today-4417983.html
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-ncsc-directs-iit-kanpur-to-suspend-4-professors-for-dalit-harassment-lodge-fir-2605440
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kanpur/4-iit-kanpur-professors-face-harass-fir-over-dalit-colleague/articleshow/63778214.cms
@Anonymous Anonymous said...
April 15, 2018 at 9:36 PM:
What is your h-index? how does it compare to the blog host?
Had a good laugh at the cricket player in comments asking for the score (H-index)!! The appropriate question is the best contribution to the science (like the theory of evolution or nanomaterial or usage of CRISPR in understanding XYZ signaling pathway) or society (plastic roads, rainwater harvesting). If you are so concerned about a number of papers, H-index and IF, please watch IPL, it is full of exciting numbers.
If my guess is right, @Anonymous April 16, 2018 at 7:41 PM neither works on those problems he mentioned nor he does any research. He is just covering his inability to do research by using such examples. I strongly suggest young faculty to not to get into arguments with these kinds of researchers. Research happens in bits and pieces. Not everyone can be Einstien, we all contribute according to our capacity. If you are publishing in good journals it means you are doing good work.
@anon mentioning Giri's analysis, do you have a full reference? I looked through current science and I can find only a 2008 paper that seems to be limited to analysis of Chemical Engineering, not the whole institute. I suppose our host can give a pointer too.
A quick look at 2017 data (less the 70 or so mega author papers) shows that it is not as skewed as projected. Only about 10 faculty are publishing over 20 papers a year and about 20 are publishing 15 or over. The top 1/3rd of IISc faculty contribute to a little over 60% of the total publications, this is nowhere near Pareto. The bottom 2/3rd still put out a total of over a 1000 papers, the median is coming at a respectable 4, well over the 1 or 1.5 estimate. So, publishing 1 or 2 papers a year will definitely be recognised as one of those who are pulling the mean and median down, not "average".
Here are my key suggestions to the new faculty/ aspirants.
1. Please spend first two years in building a good research program and identify a key problem to be addressed. Papers will follow.
2. Do not rush to publish to keep mean median or average as per the institute. Remember research is a test series, not an IPL.
3. If you are in the west, focus on your first big grant (MRC, BBRC, Wellcome Trust, HFSP, NSF, NRF, NIH) after you publish a paper (do not think about IF, HI, Runs per over etc).
4. Hire good students and motivate them to become independent thinkers. Your research program will grow by several factors.
5. Try to see what you want to achieve after 5 years. Dr. X published 25 papers with an average of 5 a year with mean IF of 50 (so every paper is in CNS, Lancet, and NEJM)! OR Dr. X identified/ discovered a new protein/ signaling pathway which plays a role in cancer, neuro diseases, and muscle diseases.For example, you do not identify Venkatraman "Venki" Ramakrishnan by a number of papers he published every year but someone who solved the structure of the 30S ribosomal subunit and its complex with several antibiotics as well as its mRNA and tRNA ligands.
Short term gains are always harmful in the long run.
Sir,
Very useful information for young researchers. The inclination (read "pressure") to publish papers is spoiling the very scientific temperament. Especially, this is much more prevalent in the private organizations, where the onus is on numbers irrespective of the nature of the work.
Dear All,
Does anyone here know of faculty shortlisting status at IIT Tirupati and IIT Palakkad? If the process is during the vacation time (after May 25th) it would be helpful for those who are employed in private organizations.
Regards,
Anonymous.
@Anon at April 17th, 5.10 AM, IIT Tirupati shortlisted candidates for CSE is displayed on the homepage.
To add to my IISc publications distribution analysis, 80/20 Pareto as claimed corresponds to a Pareto coefficient of 1.16 or Gini parameter of 0.756, quite skewed (Gini parameter =1 for totally skewed and 0 for uniform distribution). My numbers for 2017 are closer to a Pareto coefficient of about 1.6 or a Gini parameter of 0.46, not terribly skewed at all.
Finance Ministry has instructed to take effect from July 2017 for allowances for all institutions. At that point of time, even pay commission has not been given to CFTIs. Hence it is strange that the institution has not implemented allowance orders
@anon, the pay revision circular for CFTI's has a very specific mention of allowances (para 7). It states "Till a final decision on allowances is taken, all allowances will continue to be paid at existing pay structure, as if the pay had not been revised with effect from 1.1.2016". How can one pay revised allowances on the face of this? I have pointed out to the Deputy Secretary who issued the pay revision order as well as the Secretary at MHRD that finance ministry had already approved payment of revised allowances to autonomous institutions, they were both not aware of this finance ministry circular. It appears MHRD had not budgeted for the revised allowances, so they have now gone around collecting information on total outgo on account of revised allowances and submitted to finance for budget revision. Let us see what happens now.
To all who have question about survival of new faculties.
When I joined one of the old IITs, I had nothing to work other than my own office. I am experimental person and cannot survive without laboratory. Waiting was never ending 1 year, 2 year and so on.
Apart from waiting, there was another pressure of guiding UG and PG student project and thesis.
Without lab, I could not do anything and informed to the Head my inability to guide any students. Then matter became little serious. I was ensured to get some space. After 2.5 years of struggle, I got some space which was in really bad shape. I worked hard and prepare the space for equipment. I purchased many equipment who warranty period was over before installation as they were laying at some place more than 1.5 years.
Luckily, I got support from some really good senior faculties who guided me throughout my struggle. You can also collaborate with other faculties who have research facilities and enrich there field with your expertise.
Now after 5 years, I have really good research lab to work and many PhD students.
During my initial days, I could not published journal papers but I published many book chapters in international book publishers to keep myself engaged in the research.
So wait and look around you for someone who can guide you. All are not bad and all are not good as well.
Seating idle is not a solution rather problem.
All the best,
iit.fac
A few questions on preparing the teaching and research statement for faculty application to IITs in engineering disciplines. Would be great if new faculty, seniors throw some light on them.
Research statement
- I understand that a short term (5-10 years) and long term vision is expected. Is that correct?
- For future projects in the short term, should we describe explicitly specific projects or explain some major ideas (3- 4 ideas) that we want to explore with may be a paragraph or two for each idea?
Teaching plan
-Is it merely a list of courses from the existing coursework at the Institute + new courses that we plan to introduce in the future?
-Should we delve into the details of the possible new courses that we plan to introduce - like course objective, syllabus, planned labs etc. ?
Students involvement for all activities should be considered as a necessary parameter
The Dean Academic office informed that TA will be paid only for the
synopsis meeting and not for the DC meeting. When I represented
further, she had replied that in the case of retired chairman, the
guide can request for the change of chairman. So it has become
certain now that the Institute will not provide. Sorry for the
inconvenience Pl inform the actual, I will arrange to pay
is the position in one of the old cfti
Prof sriram, how long does it take to know the interview outcome after the interview?
@anon wondering about when outcome of interview will be known, IITM has (formal) fixed dates; for the current round, official results come on July 20. As I have stated here earlier, some faculty colleagues or HoD can informally let you know the results as soon as the interview is finished.
Research student has to take on behalf of institutions has emerged as a solution presently
With material available on internet, students have to develop skills for presentation, working models including prototype which includes fund raising industry involvement and of course sharing information through reputed journals
Anyone attended selection committee meeting in April, 2018 in IIT Ropar ? Any information about selection or anyone received offer letter? Please also share how much time IIT Ropar takes to declare the results of selection committee meeting?
How difficult is it to send a one liner email to all those who didn’t make it through the interview process? Why keep them guessing or ask them to get in touch with HoD’s etc?
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Kindly let us know how are the members of the external experts in the selection committee chosen? Do departments provide a list to the Dean Administration and/or do the Dean Admin come up with their own list based on the advertised areas?
Thanks.
@anon wondering about experts panel, I would be extremely impressed (to say the least) with a dean who can draw up panels of experts across all departments based on advertised areas. At IITM (and I suspect at other IIX), departments send panels of names and dean and director pick from that for approval. One expert is nominated by the board and one expert is nominated by the senate (as per statutes), so approvals are taken accordingly.
Prof sriram, thanks for responding. Based on ur reply, im guessing the result is most likely negative given that its been almost a month and half after the interview (not iitm).
Prof Sriram, Thanks for your response regarding experts panel.
I wonder if someone here has updates about Early Career researcher award (ECR) grant via SERB? I applied in the last cycle in July 2017 and the portal simply shows that my proposal has been sent to the referees.
I'm rather surprised and a bit disappointed that it takes so long to review grants in India. Perhaps someone with further knowledge of this issue can comment?
Thanks
NewProfIIT
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Based on the final orders from the Madras High Court (on the pending writ petition), can the appointments you make in the current recruitment cycle can go invalid?
Refer to the below article that appeared in The Hindu
"subject to a rider that such appointments would be subject to final orders to be passed by the court on a writ appeal pending before it."
Thanks.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/follow-reservations-in-iit-recruitments-hc-tells-hrd-ministry/article23663062.ece
http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/2018/apr/25/violation-in-selection-of-faculty-will-attract-penal-action-iit-madras-warned-1806031.html
My ECRA Proposal is also under review for the last 10 months. I heard that they started finalizing the results. So may be next month, we should hear the outcome.
iit tirupati states shortlisting has been completed in a few dept and the status can be seen upon logging in. But the status is updated even for dept that is not listed.
Also previously they put the list of shortlisted candidates for everyone to see now only your status is known. Why such lack of transparency and from the short while the candidates were listed most people selected are PhDs from parent IITs or BTech from there. Some do not even have outside experience.
Prof IIT Sriram Kindly let me know if there is any age limit for joining NIT as Assistant Professor in written rules. However IIT IISc preferably want below 35.Is there any written rules.If someone is offered job will age be calculated on last day of application considering readvertisement and interview delayed after readvertisements or date of joining. Kindly advice. Thanks in advance.
Respected Prof. Sriram and others
I am being offered a faculty position from NIT. If i get relieved from my current employer (university)and take few days break before i join NIT, will it impact on service record as service break. Please suggest. Thanks
@anon shifting from university to NIT, there is provision for a gap, this is known as joining time. Write to the NIT and ask (better yet, tell them) that you will be availing joining time. Faculty may not know but if you use the key phrase joining time, the administrative people will understand and follow the applicable rules. Joining time is based on distance from old location to new location; if it is same location, you get only one day. Otherwise, it is 10 days (distance less than 1000 km) or 12 days if it is more than 1000 km. If it is more than 2000 km and travel is not by air, then it is 15 days. There are further modification if there is necessity to travel by road for more than 200 km. As per rules, un-availed joining time is to be credited to leave account, but many institutions may baulk at this as this has financial implications and will say permission of competent authority has to be obtained etc etc. To avoid this, you can inform the NIT that you wish to avail joining time and there will be delay between relief at university and joining at the NIT, but that you will allow un-availed joining time to lapse and not claim leave credit (therefore no financial implication for NIT).
As as aside, what is the big deal with break in service, it has no major effect in the NPS regime, no?
@anon asking about age limit, IITs and IISc state preferably (though some put hard limits), so it has no hard effect. This generally becomes an internal short listing matter, some departments may apply hard rule, some may not apply at all, there will be relaxation for reserved category candidates, there may be relaxation for women.
In the case of NITs, the position is very clear, the recruitment rules are common and form part of the statutes. As per this, for 6000 and 7000 AGP, the age limit is prescribed as preferably below 30 and 35 respectively. There is no age limit for 8000 AGP and higher grades except there is one more catch all statement that "fresh appointment beyond the age of 60 is discouraged".
In standard practice, age will be reckoned on the closing day of applications, unless some other similar date is mentioned in the advertisement itself. It will not generally be based on date of joining. If there is re-advertisement, I don't see how one can avoid the closing date of the re-ad, interview delays will not matter. But if all this is consideration for you, I would expect the appointment to be at 8000 AGP or higher, for which there is no age limit in the NIT recruitment rules. If some NIT is trying to fob you off with age limit in appointment to 8000 or higher AGP, this can be challenged and you will win in court. Now that I have returned to my home (aero) department, I can offer you (free) consultancy on this 🙂
Today, one of my colleagues received acceptance notification for DST ECRA in Physics.
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Based on the final orders from the Madras High Court (on the pending writ petition), can the appointments you make in the current recruitment cycle can go invalid?
Refer to the below article that appeared in The Hindu
"subject to a rider that such appointments would be subject to final orders to be passed by the court on a writ appeal pending before it."
Thanks.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/follow-reservations-in-iit-recruitments-hc-tells-hrd-ministry/article23663062.ece
@anon quoting high court order, the respondent in this case is MHRD (not IIT Madras), this is there in the headline of the news article also. If the court rules so, all faculty appointments at all IIX made after this date will go invalid.
Thank your Prof. Sriram for the clarification.
I also received the acceptance notification for ECRA today (engineering).
NewProfIIT
Prof Sriram
Thanks for responding to queries related to NIT
Prof Sriram
Is there any rule now that officiating directors will preferably be not reappointed even if they apply against the advertisement?
Further,what is the timeline of MHRD filling up a Director position going to be vacant?
Thanks in advance
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Are the selection committee members (external experts) chosen, for every department, for every faculty advertisement at IIT Madras?
In other words, is it usual that the panel members (external experts) can be completely different for two subsequent sitting of the selection committee for a specific department?
Thanks.
@IITJ,
I am not aware of any rule that will keep officiating directors out. I am not sure if such a rule can be legally made. Time line is variable, but I believe things are moving promptly now, so ads will come out as soon as vacancy is known.
@anon wondering about selection committee composition at IITM, yes, external experts are nominated separately for every advertisement (in general, though occasionally, the experts are retained with the approval of the nominating authority). We thought it good to rotate the panel for every ad so that the same people don't keep coming every time (so their individual bias, if any, will get evened out). Incidentally, it is not two sittings of the selection committee, it is sittings of two selection committees.
Dear Prof. Sriram, Thank you very much for the reply on the selection committee.
Respected Prof Sriram
I have a contract (central govt ) which is the faculty may at any time terminate her contract by giving 3 months notice in writing or on payment of three months salary in lieu thereof
I have few questions for your advice
1. I have given the notice and will be serving for a period of 1 month. Can this be adjusted in the 3 months and so i pay only for two months
2. I have earned leave of 30 days and can it be adjusted in this 3 months
Please suggest me and give me legal reference also to quote
thanks very much and hoping for your help and advice
@anon complaining about IIT Tirupati "... most people selected are PhDs from parent IITs or BTech from there". I don't know the meaning of parent IITs (in plural) as only IITM is (was) involved in the setting up of IIT Tirupati. I called up IIT Tirupati and this is the information I got. Of the 44 faculty on the rolls, 12 have PhD from IITM, I don't believe that meets the description of "most". As for shortlisting, using data from all the 9 departments advertised, of 148 candidates short listed, 31 have PhD from IITM, I don't believe this can be described as "most". I will see if I can get BTech information also, but isn't it to be somewhat expected that candidates who are from around there are the ones more likely to try for faculty positions at Tirupati, so it should not be unexpected if "local" candidates appear to be proportionally larger fraction?
@anon asking about 3 months notice, why go this far, why not ask the head of the institution or the appointing authority to waive the notice period? It would be a really cussed institution (and head) insisting on payment in lieu of notice period. You have decided to leave anyway, I don't know of a single institutional head who would insist on enforcing the clause and making the parting bitter and painful. May be you can indicate the institution off-line to me ...
This article may be useful to IITJ regarding Termination policy in India.
https://www.rightsofemployees.com/2018/01/27/termination-policy-in-indian-labour-laws/
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Dear All,
Does anyone have any updates on shortlisting in IIT Palakkad?
Do IITs consider applications of candidates employed in private universities to be of lower standard?
I heard that NITs do not consider a candidate currently working in a private university for a higher grade pay (Rs. 7000 or Rs. 8000). So, no matter how long one works in a private institute and however good one's teaching and research record is, one has to join in the entry level in an NIT.
Is this the case with IITs too?
Regards,
Iit tirupati seemed to have had a tech glitch. The dept that were not listed on the recruitment page to have completed shortlisting showed not shortlisted to candidates. but now the status shows under process with respective dept or if one is shortlisted. So good to keep an eye on the page
Hello,
I want to know what are the chances of someone above 35 years to get a assistant professor job in the new IIT’s. I am 36 years old. Just finished my Phd from IIT delhi.
preferably the age should be <35y but IITs can make an exception provided you have a good research potential/ number of publications. No harm in applying.
So a lot depends upon your research statement and interview, I guess. That’s is to say if you are selected for interview/presentation.
I have two transaction (IEEE) papers and one conference. Is that enough? I wonder?
EE is not my field, perhaps best to talk to your PhD supervisor about your chances of getting an invitation for presentation at IIT. If you make it to the interview stage, the selection committee will test you for the fundamentals of your research area and the subjects you wish to teach. If you don't mess up the interview and have good references, it will come down to who's better among those who made it through both the stages.
Any information about seventh pay commission implementation in NITS? so far nothing has been done though IITM has got arrears in April with pay given earlier
When to expect results for shortlisting for IIT Madras for the current faculty recruitment cycle?
Has the dept. of EE at IIT Hyderabad called anyone for faculty seminar/interview this semester? I applied quite a few months back; didn't receive any communication since.
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IIT-H: anyone knows anything about IIT-H Civil Engg. faculty recruitment? any interviews recently? or in near future?
@anon asking about IITM current recruitment cycle, shortlisting results will start coming in around the end of May (but may continue into late June for some departments).
Thanks for the update Prof. Sriram. I was the one who queried about the shortlisting results.
seventh pay fixation has just been done at NIT . Thanks for information about IITM earlier
The advertisement for the post of director IIT Jodhpur has come out,last date being 30/06. Please circulate this information to known potential candidates.
Dear members, I have around 10 years of industrial research experience (govt sector in India, startups in USA, and private sector in India), followed by a PhD, postdoc from a premium IIX. Currently am in my second year of post doctoral research. I have the following queries regarding the eligibility criteria for faculty recruitment in IITs and IISc.
1. Does the industry experience before PhD count for faculty positions? Are they solely based on academic research and post doctoral experience?
2. The age limit of preferably 35 years do curb the chances of candidates like me to make it into IITs and IISc, considering my total years of experience (10 in industry + 7.5 in academia). Is there any relaxation here considering the kind of experience that the candidate carries as an asset.
3. During research, I had the opportunity to file patents to cover the novelties in my research work. Along with three patents filed about 2 years back, I also have 3 journals and 5 conference publications. Is this an acceptable performance for getting shortlisted in terms of publication or more is demanded?
Looking forward to words of wisdom, suggestions and advice.
Anon above I believe I am one of the qualified persons to answer your queries since my situation is identical to you except the patents and little less industrial experience.
1. No. Only Postdoc experience is counted. I did not receive any single increment in basic for 7 years of pre PhD experience in a reputed MNC wrking in relevant field
2. Age limit is a BIG BIG hurdle but your application might be picked up if there exists a requirement in your area in a new IIT (like in my case). Else your CV will be just chucked out at first stage.
3. Like I said age overrides things as there are guidelines on age until off course you have a Nature/equivalent in your field
Any updates regarding implementation of 7th pay allowances in the CFTIs?
Allowances are getting delayed as many CFTI's have not given statement of finances required for implementation. I am given to understand by MHRD sources that this is required so that a proposal can be made for approval of finance.
Can IIT Faculty work for a NGO on honorary basis?
Is prior approval from institute necessary?
I had an administrative question: do faculty at IITs/IISc/NITs/TIFR etc need FCRA approval when part of a foreign scientific visit is supported by the foreign host (e.g. through reimbursements or providign guest house accommodation)? The FC-2 form only seems to have entries for government servants and employees of govt companies/corporations.
It's great to see Prof. Sriram of IIT Madras Aerospace Engineering participate actively on this thread! He is a truly amazing teacher, mentor, and administrator -- an invaluable asset to the Institute. He was easily my favorite faculty member on campus during my undergraduate years there!
Has anyone received offer letter from IIT-Bombay yet? Is the board of governors meeting over?
A recent modification to terms and conditions of appointment of Assistant professors at IITJ:
The notice period at resignation shall be six months or end of next semester, whichever is later, in place of one month stated currently.
Is this is what autonomy for IIT means?
@Anon: I received an offer from IIT Bombay on 17th May.
Dear Prof. Sriram and others,
I have a similar question to IITJ anon at June 4, 2018 at 8:25 PM.
I work in a different IIT where these service rules don't appear to be available online or at an easily accessible place. I'm planning to move to industry but don't want to announce to my colleagues just now. Is there a standard notice period across IITs? Of course, I plan to wrap up most of the work (including finishing teaching in the next semester) before leaving.
Has anyone received an offer from IITDh yet?
Thanks anonymous 4am. May I know which dept it was, if you don't mind please
Thank u. Which dept if u don't mind plz
Can anyone elaborate how students in projects can be taken up for PhD?
Do they have to go through the institute PhD admission process?
Also typically projects are for 3 years while PhD is 4 years.
So is funding a issue?
Further, the project start may not coincide with the PhD admissions.
In that case there is a further time lag between start of project and finish of PhD.
Lastly,can the budget left from manpower be used to fund the student even after
the project duration is over?
Thanks from New AP @ New IIT
Thanks for sharing this useful article. Good day admin :)
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@anon asking about IIT faculty working for NGO's, this is not in the statutes but is covered under rule 15 of central civil services conduct rules. This permits us to undertake honorary work of social or charitable nature or also undertake occasional work of literary, artistic or scientific character, no prior permission is needed. There are more details in the rule including a provision that if we are involved in "registration, promotion or management", our official duties should not suffer, we have to report details to the government within one month and if asked by the government to discontinue, we shall.
@anon asking about FCRA filing, as you have partially noted, we are covered under (e) on line 6, "employee of a corporation or any other body owned or controlled by the government". As per Institutes of Technology act, article 4 (i), "Each of the Institutes ... shall be a body corporate having perpetual succession ...", so we come under description (e).
@soapy / icing anon, OK, OK, cut it out. Let us focus on making this a useful forum.
@anon asking about notice period, standard period is 3 months. Generally, notice period will be waived by the director, it is really a cussed director who refuses to waive. I mean, the person clearly wants to leave (for whatever reasons), I am sure that is always a multi-faceted decision, why add to the complexity? IITM always waives the notice period. For what it is worth, I can personally contact directors who refuse to waive notice periods. I will be asking IITJ director why he is extending the notice period, does not appear to make sense. Yes, I can understand the need to keep the programs running and hence extending notice periods to end of semester, but insisting on it and not relieving people otherwise is definitely counter-productive, I would think.
@AP@newIIT asking about project funded PhD admissions, the rules and procedures vary across institutions, you will have to check how your IIT does. As an example, IITM has two channels for project funded PhD candidates, but both have to go through the institutional PhD selection process. If the candidate makes it to the merit list, they can be taken under project and if the project runs out, they can be brought back to institutional funded scholarship (HTRA). The second channel is to treat them as non-funded (non-HTRA) candidates, like external / sponsored candidates, they will have their own merit list and in this case, they cannot ever be brought into institutional HTRA funding if the project runs out. IITM and several others have "anytime" admissions, timing is not a major issue; it is only courses that run on semester clocks, research does not. I don't believe any funding agency will allow expenditure after the closing date of the project, they will expect any left over funds to be refunded; almost all agencies will allow "no cost extension", meaning, extension of time without any additional funding, that should do the trick in most cases.
@ Prof Sriram
Thanks for your reply to project PhD process.
Can you please also advice:
1. Whether project PhD student can be paid a higher stipend then institute scholarship if the project has manpower funds?
2. Can a institute scholar be paid top up stipend from project? Also since most projects allow DST manpower rates how can one seek provision for higher stipends/top ups?
@anon,
1. Yes, project employees are project employees, they will get paid commensurate with project responsibilities. They may happen to be enrolled in a PhD, that is something else. There is no reason to link project pay with PhD HTRA fellowship amount.
2. Top up depends on institution. IITM generally does not allow, you have to check your institutional policy. DST manpower rates are broadly applicable only for JRF / SRF / Research Associate. If you hire people in other capacities (IITM terminology is project officer, senior project officer etc), they can have other pay scales.
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Dear Prof Sriram, at IITM, I wonder whether applications received against the standing ad are only considered for visiting positions or are also directly considered for regular appointment. Are there any standing selection committee for the standing ad, so that the candidates can be considered for regular positions? I got the impression from previous comments that standing ad is usually for visiting positions. Thanks.
Dear Anon at June 13, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Yes, you are right that standing ad is for visiting positions only, then you need to go through selection committee for regular appointment.
Hello,
Is there anyone (faculty candidates) who is seeing a "Yes" in the shortlist status for Electrical Engineering Department for faculty recruitment at IITM?
I am seeing in my Shortlist Status that the Database table has no entries for my username. But I am wondering if the department has already updated the short list.
I did not receive any interview call letter yet (I guess the shortlisted candidates have not received them yet).
I just want to confirm if I am NOT shortlisted.
Thanks.
@anon wondering about standing advertisement - visiting faculty, yes, it is as answered by the other anon. IITM standing ad offers are only for visiting appointments (and the candidate is expected to apply against the next regular dated ad; ads are twice a year now, the visiting offer is for someone who cannot wait for even that).
IITM EE shortlist is out, the landing page shows the interview schedule and all departments that show interview date have completed shortlisting and shortlisting data has been loaded into the portal; so, if you are getting "table has no entries", it means you have not been short listed.
Thanks for the clarification, Prof. Sriram and anon June 14, 2018 at 4:15 AM. Considering the interdisciplinary nature of my training, it is little difficult to find ad that matches reasonably well with my profile. It is not about the time though.
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Thanks for your update on IITM Shortlisting.
@interdisciplinary anon, don't wait for the standing advertisement. Go ahead and send in your soft copy application to the HoD; also contact a few faculty who may have interest in your area, send email to them and to HoD, try to get invited to give a talk, that should take your visiting appointment forward.
Dear Prof. Sriram,
When writing a teaching statement and research statement for a faculty application, what length would you recommend for each (single spaced)?
-Faculty aspirant
Dear Prof. Sriram. Thanks for the advice. Indeed it is better to contact asap.
Prof Shriram and other experts:
I have a DBT project started on 25th June 2017. Now I have to submit UC and SoE to DBT. I am confused about the period of UC and SoE. Whether it should be 25th June 2017 to 31st March 2018 OR 25th June 2017 to 24th June 2018? If I submit UC and SoE up to 31st March 2018 there will be some unspent amount. I would really appreciate any advice on the same.
Thanks
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SE and UC are always from the date of starting to the end of financial year. If there is any unspent amount and project is on going in the next year, they will deduct that much amount from the 2nd installment and release the remaining.
Dear Prof. Sriram,
Once the shortlisting for a department is complete, and if the interview call letters are already sent out, do the selection committee (at IITM) add some more candidates to be called for an interview, for example, in a scenario where some candidates initially called for interview declined to come?
@anon, not to my knowledge. In any case, there may not be enough time to do this. While shortlisting, the typical calling rate is about three times the number of expected recruits, so a few declining should not matter. Also, some candidates who are offered do not join (about 10%), all these will be adjusted in the next recruitment cycle.
Thank you very much for your prompt response Prof. Sriram.
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Dear all
Any news about inspire faculty award results 2018 Jan session..
has any one received an updated status in inspire portal ..
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