Thursday, January 26, 2017

Seventh pay commission

Happy Republic Day.

A committee has been formed to implement seventh pay commission in autonomous institutions such as IIT/IISc/NIT. You can enter your thoughts and comments in this thread. This is the current table for regular central government employees.

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iitmsriram said...

I have submitted to the committee to consider using the same government pay matrix, mapping our existing AGP / scales of 6000 / 7000 / 8000 / 9000 / 9500 / 10500 / HAG to pay levels 10, 11, 12, 13, 13A, 14 and 15 respectively; and to retain the current higher starting point benefit, the starting cells may be taken as 8, 8, 10, 1, 3, 5 and 1. I have made one other suggestion to the committee, to raise CPDA to 2 lakhs per year. Not that my suggestions will be given any more weightage than anyone else's suggestions, I think I am sort of first off the block.

I do recall we were unhappy with the structural changes that came during 6th pay commission, but I am not sure what structural changes may be required now.

iitmsriram said...

@anon asking about what is percentage increase in pay (in another thread). The general factor used by the government is 2.57, but as DA is already at 132%, the real increase is from 2.32 to 2.57 or about 10%. Of course, there are other things like HRA which will decrease in percentage (from 30 to 24 in the "metro" slab), but the increase in basic will actually result in HRA going up from 30% of old to 24% of new or a little more than double.

Anonymous said...

In regular central governnment salary structure, a higher salary is given to people posted in remote locations such as the north east.

Perhaps something similar can be thought about faculty at non-metro IITs. Lack of facilities such as good healthcare and children's education can be compensated by a higher salary?

Anonymous said...

I was wondering if there is going to be another Goverdhan Mehta like committee that is going to be formed after the UGC committee submits its report? This for the pay revision in IIX.

iitmsriram said...

@anon wondering about Goverdhan Mehta like committee, the formation of the committee headed by former IITB Director Ashok Mishra is what triggered this thread.

@anon thinking of faculty at non-metro IITs, the "higher salary" at remote locations for government servants is in the form of special allowances and currently, all those allowances are given to IIX faculty also, on par with other government servants posted at the same location. Basically, faculty (and non-teaching staff) at IIX at town abcd will get same allowances as any other government servant posted to town abcd. I suspect your suggestion is to not go by this, but compare IIX at town abcd vs IIX at Delhi / Mumbai / Chennai and provide some compensatory allowance that is not available to other government employees posted to town abcd; this will be a hard sell. All IIXs have their own schools and hospitals / medical schemes, it would be difficult to argue for extra allowances for the same, especially when existing government rules have provision to support schooling elsewhere etc.

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram:

Will there also be an increase in the salary of an INSPIRE faculty with the implementation of the 7th pay commission recommendations? Their salary is supposedly fixed (lump sum of 80,000 Rs. with 3.3 yearly increments) but then, their salary is apparently pegged 'equivalent to the salary of an IIT Assistant Professor' as per the award letter.

Anonymous said...

Is there a way of linking the salary to productivity by assessing a person's research/teaching/admin output? However subjective decisions like this are always prone to corruption.
Some IITs have already instituted awards for research and teaching - perhaps something like this can be made common across all IIX?

One thing that sometimes irks me is that a highly unproductive and lazy professor also earns the same as I do.

Anonymous said...

"a highly unproductive and lazy professor also earns the same as I do."

It is not correct to call the blog host as lazy and unproductive.

If you are good, you will get Bhatnagar, fellowships such as JC Bose/Swarnajayanthi etc. and you will earn several lakhs more than your colleagues.

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram: Are there any perks for new recruits at IITM? For instance, IITB has the J.R. Issac Assistant Chair Professor, IITK gives a significant top-up to the salary.

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram: Are there any perks for new recruits at IITM? For instance, IITB has the J.R. Issac Assistant Chair Professor, IITK gives a significant top-up to the salary.

Anonymous said...

"It is not correct to call the blog host as lazy and unproductive. " I don't know what to make of this statement - perhaps sarcasm? Hard for me to detect.

"...Bhatnagar, fellowships such as JC Bose/Swarnajayanthi etc..."
1) Shouldn't it be preferable that there is a tiered system of performance based incentive rather than huge jumps?
2) What about excellence in teaching and administration? I regularly hear from the deans etc. that IITs like to focus a lot on teaching but almost all promotions and most awards seem to be based on research output.

iitmsriram said...

@anon asking about perks for new recruits, IITM gives all new recruits 10K per month top up till they reach PB4 grade. This is designed so that (except under some relatively rare conditions), the salary never decreases like it will when the top up is x amount for 3 years - the 4th year salary will be significantly lower.

@anon wondering about linking salary to performance, the 6th pay commission provided for a performance related incentive scheme PRIS. IITs were asked to submit a proposal which was promptly shelved. This would have provided for upto 30% higher pay for top performers.

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram Are there Asst. Professors recruited by IITM directly at PB4 level?

iitmsriram said...

@anon, yes. If the candidate fulfils the eligibility requirements for PB4, IITM is directly offering PB4.

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram and the eligibility requirement I assume is 3 years of Asst. Professor (which includes 3 years of teaching courses)?

iitmsriram said...

@anon, eligibility for PB4 is 3 years as regular (8000 AGP or equivalent) assistant professor. Whether a particular stint is eligible to be counted is decided by the selection committee.

Ankur Kulkarni said...

Why should one look at this matrix at all? The committee has intelligent people. They can think afresh from first principles about salaries at IIXs.

Unfortunately, I have serious doubts if this would happen. Even when given sufficiently well defined but open-ended terms of reference, committees instead ask for more structure and guidelines to aid their thinking, in effect abdicating their 'dharma' as academicians, which is to apply their own damn minds and stand firmly by what can be backed by reason. Even important award selection committees don't apply discretion or use power of persuasion and communication. They instead slavishly try to reduce their contribution to something of a mechanical bean-counting/pattern-matching nature.

I would say we trash this matrix altogether and begin by asking basic questions:
- what does evidence say about the worth of a faculty?
- what frameworks are available to assess this worth? what is the right economic model, etc?
- is the worth a function of age/seniority? or is it independent of seniority? is it a function of teaching? of research? as measured by? as not measured by?

iitmsriram said...

@Ankur says "They can think afresh from first principles about salaries at IIXs".

This can be done if hiring / firing / annual increments / initial salary setting etc are also done "from first principles", I don't see how we can do one without the other and @Ankur puts these as the "basic questions". This would further require management (administrators) to be hired separately with their own performance benchmarks. This has been done in PSU's, to some extent at least. Is the faculty body ready for this? Except some of the IIM's, the rest of the IIX institutions are largely dependant on government grants to meet the expenditures, this is unlike the PSU's where such dependence may not be there. Will the government be willing to adapt this model and still continue to give grants as in the past?

In any case, the mandate of the committee states "It would be necessary to ensure that the final package of benefits proposed to be extended to the employees of these Autonomous Organisations etc. is not more beneficial than that admissible to the corresponding categories of the Central Government employees". That is not very open ended.

Anonymous said...

Modi is opening seven centers of excellence. Here the director and professors can get paid whatever they want. They do not need to follow governmental norms in terms of purchase or salary.

Ankur Kulkarni said...

@iitmsriram --

-- what are the "corresponding categories" of the Central Government employees? these are undefined, and probably no corresponding category exists.

-- is assessing "readiness" of the faculty body part of the mandate of the committee? if so, does their report carry a scientific assessment of this?

-- "will the government be willing to adapt": is thinking about this also part of the mandate?

I can't see why the committee cant take a cold and rational stand and put it on record, when it has been appointed to do so. It is not the committee's job to second guess anybody's thinking.

I am convinced that if academicians in India act as academicians in the true sense of the word, a lot of good would happen. Perhaps the govt will trust us more. Currently it does not trust us much because it thinks we are part-politicians in the guise of academicians.

iitmsriram said...

Ashok Mishra committee is meeting on Tuesday 14th. If someone has suggestions, I can pass it along for the committee to consider. I will be passing along Ankur's suggestion about "thinking afresh from first principles", though I have my doubts about how much traction it will find.

Anonymous said...

One can have a few allowances like a.) 9 lacs CPDA available as one block or multiple blocks over 3 year period, b.) Science/engineering magazine allowance (atleast 2 magazines per month), c.) better health insurance for family, d.) Phone/internet allowance upto 2500 p.m
,e.) children education allowance upto Rs. 40-50 K (per child) per year.

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Anonymous said...

Please do not increase CPDA. Already many faculty attend useless conferences abroad in Dubai etc. just so that they can spend the CPDA money. Let there be a competetive scheme to obtain travel money. Three years back, CSA pooled their CPDA money and bought 100 pen drives and donated it to scientific staff. I am not joking. Ask Prof. Giri.

IISc does not provide internet at home. We have to pay 1500 to BSNL to get unlimited internet (40 GB) or so. Then you have to add our mobile bills and landline bills. Currently IISc pays a maximum of 1000.

Saptarshi Basu said...

Yes I am from IISc and hence the internet+phone combo should be increased to Rs. 3000 in lieue of free internet+phone. CGHS of 1.5 lacs+4 lacs is grossly inadequate. I think ISRO and others get way more than that. So for IIXs, this should be atleast 10-15 lacs per family.

Anonymous said...

It's really sad that because of few people abusing the incentives given to them, others have to suffer. But I agree that many faculties do engage in such unethical practices.

@Prof. Sriram
Can you suggest the committee that CPDA allowance should be increased. A mechanism might be that beyond a fixed threshold (say 3 lacs) additional CPDA money should allocated in proportion to the sponsored research project money a faculty brings to his/her institute and department?

iitmsriram said...

@SaptarshiBasu, ISRO etc do not have insurance (they are under own hospital / reimbursement plan). Is there a rationale behind asking for 10 - 15 lakhs per family per year coverage? IITM coverage is basic 1.5 lakhs + corporate buffer 3 lakhs, employees can pay and add on 4 lakhs coverage on top of this to get 8.5 lakhs coverage. I am familiar with IITM claims, there may be at most 1 claim every year that exceeds this. Why coverage of 10 to 15 lakhs?

iitmsriram said...

@anon states "faculty attend useless conferences abroad in Dubai etc." Why allow this? If faculty want to attend conferences organised by WASET, say, admin can simply refuse. This is similar to permitting / encouraging faculty members to publish in junk (predatory) journals. Why put up with it / allow it?

Anonymous said...

Dear Prof. Sriram,

Would I be correct in assuming that the pay revision would more or less follow the general theme of 7CPC recommendations for the Central Govt Employees? My pay was revised after Jan 2016. According to 7CPC recommendations, there is an option provided for employees to delay their shifting to the new pay (so that they can get benefited). I hope such provisions will be provided for IIX faculty as well.

iitmsriram said...

@anon, it is a broad assumption that the Ashok Mishra committee will recommend pay revision for CFTI faculty along the general lines of the 7th CPC. Some, like @ankur here, have suggested that the committee should take a different approach, don't know if the committee will go that way. I believe the option to switch over to new scales on 1.1.2016 or at later date will be given, just like it is given to other government employees.

iitmsriram said...

Forgot to add, faculty associations have submitted inputs to the Ashok Mishra committee. IITK, for example, has suggested that directors be stepped up to the level of cabinet secretary, from their current standing equivalent to secretary to government of India (one scale lower than cabinet secretary); the suggestion continues down the line with HAG level professors to be elevated to the level of what is now IIT Director, associate professors to be elevated to what is currently HAG professor and so on.

Ankur Kulkarni said...

I have two more suggestions: Probably it is an institute-level matter to be dealt with individually by each institute. Faculty should be allowed to choose their productivity mix -- a% teaching, b% research, c% admin, from some set combinations of a,b,c. The minimum level for qualifying for associate or prof or HAG should be different for faculty from different productivity mixes. Accordingly, the pay could also differ.

A prerequisite for this is first figuring out what the value various combinations of a,b,c are to the institute and use salary as a way for the institute to signal this value to its employees. Currently we deluding ourselves into thinking that the value is independent of a,b,c.

Second suggestion: find a way to make IIX faculty/students/staff institute employees instead of govt employees. Over time phase out this grand unified centralized anachronistic pay determining exercise and replace it with one at the institute levels.

Anonymous said...

Ankur, do not waste your time with these suggestions. Nothing of these will happen. What will happen is as follows:

1. mapping our existing AGP / scales of 6000 / 7000 / 8000 / 9000 / 9500 / 10500 / HAG to pay levels 10, 11, 12, 13, 13A, 14 and 15 respectively;

And then double existing benefits such as

2. Increase telephone bill reimbursement to 2000 from 1000
3. Increase money for people holding two fellowshoips to 30000 from 15000
4. Increase CPDA to 2 lakhs from 1 lakh

Medical coverage is institution based and nothing will happen.

Nothing else will happen. Mark my words.

IISc Prof Giri's friend

Ankur Kulkarni said...

I am almost certain that none of my suggestions will be followed. However, I do not make them I will be making the same mistake as I was above accusing committees of making - i.e., instead of applying their minds on the task at hand, applying it on thinking of what the government will think.

Doubling existing benefits seems okay, but it would be much better if it was backed by analysis and logical reasoning.

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Anonymous said...

Sriram: What about the payscale mapping. What is the committee's view on that. Income tax on perks is a nonsense action to begin with, hope the comm. eradicates the same.

Anonymous said...

Pay scale mapping will be straightforward with the suggestion above.

The doubling of benefits is just based on logic that DA is now more than 100%. Benefits such as fellowships, CPDA etc. are to be doubled. Telephone is unique to IISc and 2000 may be recommended for IISc. Medical insurance in IISc is just 50000 per family per year. But additional insurance of 5 lakhs is available. But it is also a local issue.

People like Giri who do very well have no shortage of money either through grants or personal money from fellowships or JC Bose. With Bhatnagar award winners likely to get 10-15 lakhs in contingency per year and JC Bose also having 15 lakhs in contingency, people will get 30 lakhs per year in contingency. They do not need CPDA. If things like CPDA are also based on assessment, they will get the maximum slab. Then having two fellowships also gives personal money. Best is to have all benefits to be the same for everyone.

There is no pessissm regarding this. Benefits from institutes should be similar. Outside benefits from DST, CSIR etc. are always obtained by deserving scientists.

The perk tax is unique to a few institutes and is based on income tax rule. It is not within the purview of the committee. If the comm. eradicates this tax, income tax office should take them to court. they can not violate the law of the land. Sometimes it is an interpretation of the IT commissioner but IISc can not claim to be a charity officially and also a government institution. They can not have it both ways. Further, IISc has not been enacted by the parliment unlike IITs or IISERs or NIT.Either IISc pays this tax from their kitty or keeps quiet.

iitmsriram said...

@anon, my responses as below.

Medical benefits is not entirely local issue. Institutions are bound to provide some kind of support. At the IITs, for example, the statutes (annexure AA) binds the institute to provide medical assistance for serving employees. However, this support may become open ended, so the institutes have a vested interest to come up with a scheme so that expenditure is controlled. Going for medical insurance is one way to control the expenditure. Employees have to push to ensure that the coverage offered is meaningful and sufficient. The Ashok Mishra committee is likely to make a recommendation that institutions continue with reimbursement model or go for insurance with some prescribed cover or some prescribed cost contribution from the institute.

Two academy fellow ship cannot be availed along with Bhatnagar fellowship, just as a point of information.

Perk tax is not the law, it is an administrative rule. There is some history behind it. Some income tax assessing officers decided that employees of universities, autonomous institutions etc are not government and issued income tax demands. These were appealed by institutions and employees and both tax tribunals and courts ruled in favour of the employees. In the case of PSU's, the ruling was in favour of the taxman. Instead of accepting this, the IT department issued a clarification to the existing rule 3(1), adding a note that employees of PSU's, Universities, autonomous institutions etc will not be considered government employees for the purpose of this rule. By the way, the institution does not pay this tax, it is paid as income tax by the individuals. Don't know about IISc, but CFTI's can definitely ask to be included under the definition of government for the purpose of this rule. The committee does not have the power to annul the income tax. But, if the pay package is approved along with this provision, this will stand and the tax man will not be able to challenge it in court. The condition likely to be set is that the accommodation should be similar in facilities to standard government housing and the license fees, allotment eligibility etc should be same as standard government rules.

Giri@iisc said...

"committee is likely to make a recommendation that institutions continue with reimbursement model or go for insurance with some prescribed cover"

Currently, IISc provides 50000 coverage for the family and one can buy an additional 7 lakhs as coverage by paying extra.

"Two academy fellow ship cannot be availed along with Bhatnagar fellowship, just as a point of information."

That's correct but Bhatnagar is apparently going to be changed to 10 lakhs per year as contingency instead of 15000 pm as fellowship. Therefore, one can avail both as discussed by my "friend"

"Don't know about IISc, but CFTI's can definitely ask to be included under the definition of government for the purpose of this rule. "

But IISc is not registered under the act of Parliament and can not be considered as a government institution. I was extensively involved in this and met the IT commissioner on this. Of course, it can change if the interpretation by the assessing officer changes.

Giridhar

Anonymous said...

If Perks related taxes continue , more people will leave campus housing. Right now, I pay something like 1 lac per year extra as taxes and I forego my HRA. This puts my total loss to a very high value. After 7th pay commission, HRA is supposed to go up and so will the perks and so will be the tax. Hence one may end up paying (or loosing) close to 40-60 K p.m for institute housing. Now if the housing is like IITG, maybe one can put an argument that maybe it is worth but not for IISc housing. Remote IIT employees have to bite the bullet since there maybe nothing outside. However Bangalore, Madras, Bombay, Delhi the story maybe different.

also medical insurance kind of sucks at IISc though technically you can get upto 7 lacs coverage. However like dirac delta, the insurance drops to zero moment you set foot outside bangalore.

Anonymous said...

"February 16, 2017 at 3:25 PM"

"If Perks related taxes continue , more people will leave campus housing."

IISc is not listed as institute of national importance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Institutes_of_National_Importance

Till it is not listed there and IISc does not still claim to be a charity organization, the perk related taxes will continue. You should first understand the amount of work done in the previous administration to make this happen and meeting the IT officials. This was completely dropped by the current administration. But this is understandable considering the directors and deputy director, all (?) divisional chairmen stay outside the campus. They are not interested in getting a waiver. Ask them how many times they have approached the IT officials for the waiver or MHRD to get it listed as INI. No wonder the tax tribunal ruled against IISc.

IISc is the only institution (unlike IITs/NITs) where the majority of administration including director lives outside the campus.


Unknown said...

Forgive my ignorance, what is perk tax?
Is it tax on institute provided housing (treated as a perk?)

Sridhar

iitmsriram said...

@unknown, yes, this is about tax on institute provided housing treated as a perk. Before 2013, IIX employees were treated as government employees for this purpose. For government employees, standard license fee - amount actually recovered from employee is taken as the value of the perk. As the recovery amount is usually same as the standard license fee, the value of the perk is zero and there is no tax liability. In 2013, the annual income tax circular added a note that employees of autonomous institutions, universities etc would not be considered as government employees for this purpose of housing perk. That means, the value is taken as 15% of salary in metros minus whatever employee paid as license fee and this value is subject to income tax. For someone getting monthly salary of 1 lakh and paying Rs. 1000 as license fee, this adds 14K to taxable income. If the income tax bracket is 30%, staying in quarters will add 30% of 14K or Rs. 4200 to income tax.

Anonymous said...

you have not defined salary properly..it is not just basic or DA.

As an example, Prof. Giri earns

200000 as basic + DA
15000 from Bhatnagar
25000 from JC bose
100000 from Consultancy
10000 from GATE/KVPY exams etc. (average over a month)

Now the total salary is 3.5 lakhs per month. It is 15% from this !

iitmsriram said...

@anon, I have clearly stated "someone getting salary of 1 lakh", as an example, as the answer was oriented towards someone not familiar with the issue, presumably someone near the entry level (in which case this is a good number). You are free to use any example you want.

If we want to nit pick, I can do the same. I am sure Prof. Giri is not getting 200000 per month as basic + DA. DA from 1.1.2017 has not been announced, with previous DA, the stagnation point is Rs. 183280. And so on. But yes, point taken, the 15% is reckoned on all items considered under the head salary.

Giri@iisc said...

anon@February 17, 2017 at 2:58 PM:

I do not get 200000 as basic + DA. Neither does our director !

I do not get 100000 from consultancy.

I do not know whether honorarium under gate is counted under salary or income from other sources as this is a honorarium. I have to check.

Your point is well taken though..15% is based on all items under salary.

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram Giri@iisc
Thanks for the open discussion of faculty compensation in India. I have interviewed at a few places in India recently and found the visits mutually exciting. I have PhD + 3 year postdoc + 3 year non-tenure faculty/staff scientist experience. During the junior faculty years, I have secured medium sized grants, taught a course, participated in outreach + published my research. I am wondering if someone in my situation is eligible for entry as tenure-track faculty at IISc directly in PB-4?

@iitmsriram already pointed out that selection committee assesses if a particular stint counts. My question is whether the institutes have discretion to offer tenure-track faculty (Assistant professor) entry in PB-4?

Anonymous said...

" IITs were asked to submit a proposal which was promptly shelved. This would have provided for upto 30% higher pay for top performers."

Well, JC Bose will go up to 35-40 K and two fellowships to 30 K. Thus, one gets 70 K, which is roughly 35% higher pay than others. Youngsters can get Swarnajayanthi and two fellowships.

IISc does not want an incentive system in house because that will lead to headaches to administration. Recently, in IISc, the admin wanted to promote 14 people from professor to HAG scale. Then they decided that 13 will be based on seniority and one will be "out of turn" based on merit. And they gave it to the blog host. Questions like this were asked "What does Giri do? He teaches more than everyone else, publishes and gets cited more than many of us, serves in committees..but how does it mean he is better than me?"

Best is to NOT provide any incentive at the institutional level. If decisions are made at DST, CSIR or some other agency, one can throw up their hands and say "Of course, I know you are better than him but what can I do ? It was decided by some stupid committee instituted in DST. Of course, one should NOT ask "Did you not serve on the committee?" :-)


IISc Prof Giri's friend

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Anonymous said...

When can we expect the new pay? Also, I am an Asst. Prof in IISc, how much should I expect my new pay to be (including all allowances, HRA, TA, etc) and how much should I get as arrears?

MS said...

@Prof Sriram:
"All IIXs have their own schools and hospitals / medical schemes"
"the "higher salary" at remote locations for government servants is in the form of special allowances and currently, all those allowances are given to IIX faculty also, on par with other government servants posted at the same location"

I am a faculty at New IIX and with all respect I will like to mention few things.

This IIX does not has its own school.
The school bus charges are half of my transport allowance
and the school fees is a factor of 3 of the GoI allowance.

As for hospital it has a clinic with good for nothing part time doctors who do not
prescribe medicines beyond the minuscule inventory to avoid questions.
They will refer to city hospital for which you will probably spend more in transportation
then in medicine.

Now I should not complain about this because we are still in our temporary campus
which is just 10 kms from city with public transport available.
In couple of months we will move to our "permanent campus" which will again have no hospital or school.
And its only 25 kms with no public transport.

PS: All GoI offices are in the city.
PPS:No we do not have top ups.

Anonymous said...

I am an Asst Prof on PB3 at IISc and some simple questions.

(i) When will I receive the new pay?
(ii) How much will I get as per the new pay commission including HRA/TA, etc (I just need one number as 1.XX lakhs)?
(iii) Also, how much arrears am I supposed to receive and when?

Anonymous said...

"I am an Asst Prof on PB3 at IISc and some simple questions...I just need one number as 1.XX lakhs"

Typical arrogant iisc prof. why cant they do the simple math that a 10 year old understand? Well, why do the math when someone else like Giri or Sriram will do it for you !

Anonymous said...

Ha ha..good one at above. For the record, I am a typical iisc prof (in PB3) and I could do the mathematics.

Anonymous said...

what was the recommendations made by the Misra committee

iitmsriram said...

@anon wondering about pay review committee, the Ashok Mishra committee has not yet submitted its recommendations. It had one meeting last week and next one is scheduled for 20 March. The committee has asked for one month extension (till end of March) to submit its report.

Ordinary Person said...

@ Prof. Sriram and others who are aware of the developments of the committee.

I think that at the time of implementation of 6th pay commission, the 3-year on-contract Assistant Professor position was invented.
Some time last year there was discussion on introducing tenure in IITs. Do you think it can/ should be introduced by the committee now? https://giridharmadras.blogspot.in/2015/12/tenure.html

Anonymous said...

Please do not introduce tenure. If you introduce tenure, good faculty like Prof. Giri will not get tenure because they will be denied tenure by the department itself. It will lead to lot of insecurity also and you have to be a slave to the chairman, director, and so on.

Look at IIT Gandhinagar..such IITs have two years probation..no faculty even wants to talk about the weather because it may offend the director and they will lose their job

iitmsriram said...
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Vijay Desai said...

Now that new fiscal year is on the verge, hope the Government will not delay any further in implementing the VII Pay commission to all the CFTI's.

desainitk

Anonymous said...

Typical IIT/NIT professors..always thinking about pay commissions and money. No work is required.

Report will be submitted on 31 March and the government has to implement it in one day. Wish these professor correct a manuscript in one day or even publish manuscripts in top journals in one year.

Unknown said...

We at NITK and most of NITs are in AGP 8000 or 7000 even after 10 to 15 yrs of post Ph.D experience/service in CFTI with JSPS, Humbhold post doc, project, jounal papers. However, 6th CPC allowed faculty without Ph.D as Associate. Can this committee do something to give MOKSHA to these Asst profs.

Unknown said...

Unless 6th CPC anomalies r corrected u can not simply multiply by 2.57 or fix level.

iitmsriram said...

@unkonwn, anomalies cannot be corrected unless they are enunciated properly. Faculty without PhD not becoming associate professors is not an anomaly, it is a result of adoption of flexi cadre. One can't usually have it both ways. IITs also adopted this "no associate professor without PhD" at the time of the 4th pay commission. All non-PhD faculty were told to get PhD or retire as assistant professors. Most got PhDs and got promoted, a few retired as assistant professors. That is the price to pay for upgraded scales. NITs are also institutions of national importance, the faculty get same scales as in IITs under flexi cadre. So, same rules should apply - get PhD or retire as assistant professor. To make things worse, NITs have adopted recruitment rules (mostly now stayed by courts) that specify number of papers, number of PhDs to be graduated, number of short term courses to be conducted etc etc as minimum eligibility conditions. This was brought to the attention of the Ashok Mishra committee, but the committee has declined to get into recruitment rules of individual NITs as being outside the scope of the pay review.

Anonymous said...

Thanks @iitmsriram and @giri for initiating discussion. Regarding CPDA, we at NITs found it very useful particularly for young faculty (where there is no seed grant to do any research etc), but its so happened that MHRD noticed few deviations in use. It was mostly few faculty purchased items not specified in the grant, but now the grant is blocked for research interaction/collaboration visits etc. Pls specify exactly the terms and conditions of CPDA so that there can be no violation. Also, pls include laptop for faculty once in 2 block period, (since it is not provided by the institute like in pvt institute), research interaction/collaboration visits (specify what output is expected like publications). purchase any item related to research (like consumables, characterization/testing charges to other labs). Incentives for research publications(to encourage young faculty). There may be some fund to provide incentives for Ph.D students also for publications (it worked well in Singapore and Malaysia to get QS ranking).

Anonymous said...

Sir, I think you have mistaken it. What I said was Lecturers of 5th CPC without Ph.D were fixed as Associate Professors(AGP 9000) in 6th CPC based on number of yrs of service etc. Secondly, all those 6th CPC Assistant Profs(AGP 6000,7000) with Ph.D., post doc etc are blocked since 2006 till today without promotion to PB4. We spent 3 yrs in 6000 AGP, 4 years in 7000 AGP(we have post Ph.D 10 yrs experience at NIT only, excluding outside post doc) and still in PB3 basic 15,900/. How can we account for 10 yrs post Ph.D service? Is it gone? can 7cpc do something to find our basic as on Jan1,2016?

Anonymous said...

Sir, regarding recruitment rules, the MHRD letter says that 7CPC revised pay comes with recruitment rules and qualification etc-thanks

iitmsriram said...

@anon, what MHRD letter?

The only thing I can find is the appointment of the Ashok Mishra committee, which mentions "... it has been decided that the revised pay scales as per the Pay Matrix ... as well as principle of pay fixation ... may be extended to the employees of such organisations. However, it shall also not be made automatically applicable to the employees of Autonomous Organisations but to be considered by the Administrative Ministry for its justification based on functional considerations, recruitment qualifications as well as the applicable pre-revised pay scales".

And, "Accordingly the Ministry of Human Resource Development (D/o Higher Education) has constituted a Pay Review committee for all Centrally Funded Technical Institutions and the composition of the same is as under:- ... The committee will submit its recommendation ...".

As the previous similar committees had mentioned qualifications, I believe this committee will also do that but not venture beyond that (into recruitment rules).

Also, CPDA norms for utilisation are not set centrally, only the broad guidelines are. I don't believe the committee sees any need to change the broad guidelines. (personal opinion) If some institutions permitted collaboration visits under CPDA, that is an extension beyond the stated purpose. The MHRD description for CPDA is clear and mentions only conferences "... to meet the expenses for participating in both national and international conferences ..."

Anonymous said...

Thank you sir, you are right. I was referring only to ",,,,,,, based on functional considerations, recruitment qualifications as well as the applicable pre-revised pay scales".

Sir, would it be possible to mention in your report that "the pay and AGP as on 1st Jan 2016 as per 4-tier norm to be multiplied by the factor ( is it 2.57?) to get the new pay/level in 7CPC" because the pay/AGP as on 1st Jan 2016 is critical, which will be multiplied by a factor. As of now, in NITs, the pay/AGP on that date is not according to flexible(4-tier), neither 3 tier (UGC/college) considering qualification and service criteria. Therefore,term "4-tier" is important.

What about those faculty who do not qualify for 4-tier in NIT, for instance a professor? what is his pay level compare to professor of 10500 AGP?
what about Assistant prof of AGP 7000(which is contractual position),if he/she did not qualify for 8000 AGP? will he be fired or continue in the same level?
In which level, existing ASSOCIATE professors WITHOUT Ph.D (presently they are in AGP 9000) will be placed? what is their new designation?
LEVEL 13 in pay matrix is which designation, ASSISTANT PROF or ASSOCIATE PROF?

These situations may not exist in IIT but in NITs.

Thanks again

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Anonymous said...

Sir you are correct. Some NITs moved to flexible cadre (4-tier) already but due to this lobby, Assistant professors are trapped in AGP 7000/8000, not moved/selected for Associate even if they have 10 yrs post Ph.D service, research credentials, projects, foreign post doc etc, citinging technical problem. Technical problem is that we were never moved to 8000 AGP and they say that you have to complete that and cannot jump AGP. However, now newly recruited Assistant profs and Associate profs are getting higher entry pay of 4-tier (30K+8k for Asst prof and 43K+9.5K for Assoc). Nobody is bothered about us because of lower designation and number. Ideally as per 4-tier, we shall be fixed at 30000+8000 after 3 years of post ph.D experience (post doc/teaching). After 3 years in 80000 we should be selected to Assoc 9500 AGP subjected to meeting credentials of 4 tier (which we have). The starting date of fixation shall be 1st Jan 2006 because in 6th pay implementation NITs were told to adopt flexi cadre through various MHRD orders. The main issue is that in flexi cadre implementation, some well performing junior faculty will take over seniors. Hence the lobby is defeating it. We would be thankful if you could address this issue, where ever is possible in your report. It is
directly related to the pay on 1st Jan2016, which will be multiplied to get 7 cpc pay.

Regarding faculty at AGP 9000 (without Ph.D), they are currently designated as Associate prof in NITs/colleges/UGC. but I think in IIT it is Assistant prof only. Hence i referred it.
Thank you sir

Anonymous said...

I am just wondering why NIT professors have so many grievances yet continue to work there. Are there not better places to work ? Maybe because in NIT, it is a government job and one does not need to work??

Anonymous said...

Let me be blunt here and just point out that the renumeratuon vs work output ratio of 'most' NITs far exceeds the IITs faculties. NITs have practically zero research output, they are not doing much good with the teaching either. I have first hand experience of incompetance of NIT faculties, especially old professors. Hopefully, new faculties will change this trend. Problem is that every instituition develops a culture over the time and it's much easier to get molded in that culture that to change it. This is the prime reason government decided to set up new IITs that coverting NITs into IITs.
People in IITs getting same pay as other centrally funded institute is not fair. In my opinion it should be based on research, teaching output.

Fac.iit said...

Recommendations of All India IIT Faculty federation.

Designation Scale Minimum Pay (Rs.)
AP (on Contract) Level 13 1,18,500
Assistant Professor Level 14 1,44,200
Associate Professor Level 15 1,82,200
Professor + HAG Level 16 2,05,400

Other points for consideration at the IIT Council
a. To consider children of IIT faculty for admission in State Govt run colleges where the IIT is located
b. A performance evaluation system of HoDs and Deans on the lines of faculty
evaluation c. To allow faculty to travel on non-Air India in India and abroad when direct connections are not available
d. To introduce PRIS (Organization) on the basis on MHRD ranking.

There was one line written "there was agreement on the CPDA and Medical Insurance for serving and retired Faculty".
What is that agreed CPDA?

Anonymous said...

Dear Prof. Your blunt comments and first hand info are correct only. In NITs Profs are busy taking 2-3 theory, 1 lab every day (may be syllabus/teaching quality is still not upto mark), which is quite large work load compared to IIT, as I checked with my friends mostly they are taking half a course. Huge shortage of faculty, increase of students intake, lack of facility (only last 4 yrs NITs got some funding), all have contributed to it, but I feel some NITs did well and secured NIRF ranking also. Main reason, is lack of good leadership,particularly director, now i think no good academicians are coming as directors. In the past we got profs from IITs as directors, which should have been continued, but not happening. Regarding salary, IITs feel NITs are paid more, NITs feel that college and polytechnic teachers are paid more. My only wish is let good people come forward and lead.

iitmsriram said...

Saw the AIIITFF recommendations. Not sure how we justify this kind of pay upgrades. When rest of government is using default upgrade factor of 2.57 with some cadres going up to 2.72, how do we justify upgrade factors in the range of 3.5 to 3.8? Or is this some kind of bargaining tactic - ask for 3.5 and settle for something lower?

Ankur Kulkarni said...

If one thinks clearly from fundamentals, one will know whether it can be justified and how. The current approach is scientifically so adhoc that I don't think you will be able to rigorously justify anything.

Anonymous said...

I think they are looking at PB-4 as the starting pay band for the faculties at IITs. Whereas every now and then I am seeing that govt. is pushing to make faculty posts at IIX attractive to young aspirants in order to fight faculty crunch, to look back on the same old pay structure will surely be a step backward. I don't know about govt. sectors, but as autonomous intitutes IITs may place a strong case for themselves, especially in a time when they are looking abroad to even fetch foreign faculties.

Dr. Sashikumaar Ganesan said...

Here is the discrepancy in 7PC matrix during promotion/increment, please correct me if I am wrong.

Consider the following scale

As on Jan 2016 (Basic + AGP) :: 38800+9000 = 47800*2.57=1,22,846
Mapping at the matrix in level 13 :: 1,25,800 ( >=1,22,846 )

Hence, the basic salary as on 1st Jan 2016 : 1,25,800

CASE A:
Suppose the faculty gets a promotion on 1st June 2016 (one increment in the same level, and then map to the next level), that is,
Salary from 1st June 2016 (increased to 1,29,600 and mapped to level 13A) :: 1,31,100
Salary in Jul'16 (No increment, min. 6 months to be in the slab to get increment) :: 1,31,100
Salary from 1st Jan (new rule on increment, either in Jan/Jul) :: 1,35,000

CASE B:
Suppose the same faculty gets a promotion on 1st Aug 2016:
Salary in Jul'16 (regular increment ) :: 1,29,600
Salary from 1st Aug 2016 (increased to 1,33,500 and mapped to level 13A) :: 1,35,000

Case B gets salary of 1.35K from Aug'16, whereas Case A will reach this salary only in Jan'17 despite got promoted two months early than Case B.

The main problem is that the increment depends on the promotion, but the promotion doesn't depends on the increment! If this is true, it should be rectified.

iitmsriram said...

@sashikumaar, you are wrong; pl. read up on FR22, this has nothing to do with 7th pay commission. FR22 is an old rule that has been gathering dust since the 6th pay commission was implemented as the increment date became common, making this rule more or less of no use. Before 6th pay commission, increment could be in any month and to prevent the situation of your example, FR22 was used. Now that we are back to multiple increment dates (OK, not any month as used to be before 6th pay commission, but Jan 1 or Jul 1), FR22 will again come into play. Using FR22, your example case A would opt for pay fixation on next increment date of July 1 instead of immediately on promotion and the situation would be averted. Incidentally, FR22 has always been operational, but with fixed increment date under 6th pay commission, it is obvious which option is advantageous, so the option is fixed administratively and not given to the employee.

Anonymous said...

Yup! here it comes, yes..... This all because of such excessive greedy demands (as above)for years by autonomous institutions, this time govt have shown them a way, by not extending benefits of seventh pay commission

Anonymous said...

does the committee has submitted the report?

Anonymous said...

Is this committee responsible for recommending pay revisions for IIM faculty members as well? When is the deadline for submitting the report? Who are members of the committee?

iitmsriram said...

@anons, yes, the Ashok Mishra committee is responsible for recommending pay for IIM also. It is expected to submit report by March 31, I believe this will happen (they are putting finishing touches). Members of the committee are Prof. Ashok Mishra (chairman), and members being directors of IITM, NIT Delhi, IIM Udaipur, IISER Bhopal, IIITDM Kanchipuram and the concerned Deputy Secretary from MHRD as member - secretary.

Anonymous said...

Sir, Any update on what is finally being proposed?

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram, any update on the Ashok Mishra committee recommendation?

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iit.fac said...

Is there any update on CPDA?

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Thx for the info. I think 7 cpc had recommended 24% hra. is it the same in this report?

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Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram

Can you elaborate about recommended mapping (to 7pc pay matrix) for Assistant Profs. (on contract), Assistant Profs., Associate Profs., Profs. and HAG Profs.?

Possibly a new level was added to the existing pay matrix?




Anonymous said...

Does it mean that the new salary as per the recommendation of Ashok Mishra committee will be calculated as follows: (Current basic pay x 2.67) + Grade Pay + Current DA + HRA + Transportation Allowance + DA on Transportation Allowance? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Anonymous said...

I think the calculation will be (basic + grade pay) x 2.67 + ....
Sir, Will we get HRA arrears also?

Thank you.

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Anonymous said...

Dear iitmsriram

Thanks for elaboration. But what are 13A1, 13A2 and 14A?
As far I know there are only 13A and 14.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for this clarification sir. So the revised pay for someone who is currently on an AGP of 9500 will be fixed at a pay level of 13A2 isn't? It will be very helpful if you could provide the minimum pay levels recommended for levels 10 to 15.

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Anonymous said...

Thanks sir

Anonymous said...

There not much financial benefit in 7th Pay in comparison to 6th pay. Only so much of matrix to engage with. Whatever, little gain will be there, would be cut short by increment in tax component.

Therefore, I suggest Govt should not collect direct taxes from Teachers/Academician/Faculties as a respect to Gurujan. This will be benefit the teaching fraternity rather than 7th pay.

Anonymous said...

Already faculty are paid too much. Most faculty in IIT/NIT work 2-3 hours a day..compare this against any industry and you will realize that the payment is already too high.

Anonymous said...

@Annon above,
May be you belong to that herd.
I work day and nights and I have seen the same for my colleagues. Many of us don't even take saturdays and sundays off and note that we don't get any overtime for that. In addition to teaching and research, we have to manage administrative responsibiltites for not only IITs but other colleges as well because we have some moral obligations to them. It's a thankless job. The only solace we get is when students learn something and thanks us for the education they get. I feel contend.
So don't make comparison to private jobs.

Anonymous said...

"I work day and nights and I have seen the same for my colleagues"

I have never seen more than 10% faculty work on Saturday/sunday in any IITs. I really doubt your statements.

"we have to manage administrative responsibiltites for not only IITs but other colleges as well because we have some moral obligations to them."

""when students learn something and thanks us""

""I feel contend.""

Considering the typographical and grammatical errors in the sentences above and the usage of the word "contend", I can only pity the students who learn from you !

Anonymous said...

"I have never seen more than 10% faculty work on Saturday/sunday in any IITs."
Right, so you have visited and spent enough time in all IITs to gather your sample data and claim such figure? Seems very credible!

Regarding your eagerness to point out typographical/grammatical mistakes, did you want to take refuge under the ambit of insults to make up for your lack of logical arguments? Students could very well be taught in Hindi, Tamil, Marathi etc., and still it can help them to be a good engineers and scientists. If you can demonstrate me how the Newton's law can be better explained with correct English, I will try understand your point.
This language ploy clearly alludes how well your students must be learning from you!

Anonymous said...

I am sure you are capable of writing research papers only in Hindi, Tamil, Marathi etc. and not in English.

Anonymous said...

Keep writing your technical papers using thesauruses and I am sure it will be published. I wish all the great French, German and Russian scientists had taken a cue from you and could've published in English.

Sashikumaar Ganesan said...

To all Anonymous, please do not hijack the good works/information of @iitmsriram, Giri@iisc and others. This forum is not for abusing others that too without disclosing your identity. Different opinions are welcome but don't insult honest faculty.

Anonymous said...

It is in that case the worst pay commission in the history of iit.
what about chair prof pay.

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram

Is there any mention of PRIS in the report?

Do you think that PRIS (organization) can be implemented, say, based on MHRD rankings? PRIS (Individual) is continuing to be the bone of contention. What are your thoughts on this issue?

I also request you to shed light on the possible quantum of CPDA that will be made available to the faculty.

Thanks in advance

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Anonymous said...

Putting a cap for CPDA is problematic, as faculty claim it based on seniority etc bypassing performance. rather performance criteria shall be made more stringent.

Anonymous said...

what is the criteria for movement from 13A1 to 13A2, 14 to 14A1. Is it just number of years or performance based? If some one cannot make it to 13A2, or 14A1, does it mean that he/she will be placed in 13A1 or 14 respectively?

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Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram and @Prof. Giri : Has the report been made public? If yes, can someone post the link to the report? I believe that UGC pay commission report has not been made public yet.

Anonymous said...

All those faculty who joined IITs and Universities (both central and state) as Assistant Professors after 2006 (in 6th pay commission) have become Professors (many without papers/projects etc). However, those who joined NITs are still continuing as Assistant Professors even with papers/project etc., though with decent recent NIRF ranking. Its now only the last 7cpc hope. Will they compensate for the lost number of years? who is responsible for this mess?

Anonymous said...

lack of clarity of various committee reports/orders have made things worse. Implementation part is still worse with misinterpretations, etc.

Anonymous said...

As per prof. sriram, assistant professor of IIX in PB4 with AGP 9000 will be mapped to 13A1. So, does it mean that this person will move to 13A2 the next year with annual increment? In that case, promotion from assistant to associate becomes meaningless as far as the pay is concerned.

iitmsriram said...

@anon, I appear to miss some logic. Why would a person in 13A1 move to 13A2 because of annual increment? Annual increments will only give progression down the column (cells) in the same pay level. 13A2 represents associate professor 9500, a different pay level; one would have to apply against an advertisement and be selected to move to the 13A2 column.

Giri@iisc said...

I think what he means is that someone with 13A1 and one year annual increment will have the same pay as 13A2. In that case, what is the meaning of promotion from assistant to associate? Both will get the same pay.

I think this is what he is asking.

Anonymous said...

I interpreted 13A1 as first row of 13A column and similarly 13A2 as second row of 13A column. However, Prof. Sriram is saying that 13A1 and 13A2 are different columns of the pay matrix. In that case, promotion from assistant to associate will be meaningful for pay. I could not find any pay matrix with separate 13A1 and 13A2 columns. Is this something new specifically proposed for CFTIs?
Thanks Prof. Sriram and Prof. Giri for all your initiative of helping faculty position applicants and clearing doubts about seventh pay commission. Many like me appreciate your time and sincere efforts.

Anonymous said...

I assume 13A and 13A1 are same and 13A2 and 14A are newly introduced by the committee. For instance, a faculty in 13A/13A1 after a few years will be promoted (selected) to 13A2. Then his salary cannot be reduced but fit into some cell in 13A2, which may be higher than many Associate Profs, who were selected earlier. When such promotion happens, I suppose the faculty will also get one additional increment (not sure). Unless there is a big gap between the coloums, in terms of starting pay, it may lead to anomaly. The salary of junior Associate professor(who joins later) will become more than senior Associate Profs. Same thing with 14/14A. I do not know, may be it is ok like that. Thanks

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Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram: As per some news ( https://www.telegraphindia.com/1170223/jsp/frontpage/story_137313.jsp ) UGC pay commission has recommended a multiplier factor of 2.72. If Ashok Mishra committee has recommended 2.57 for IIT/IIM, wouldn't that be inconsistent?

Anonymous said...

Any light on pay structure for non teaching staff of CFTIs

Anonymous said...

I m not referring to fixation but later promotions. Suppose 1 is fixed at level 14 (agp 10k) and after a few years make it to level 14 A1. Then he will be put into a slot in 14 A1 which could be higher than few existing profs of 14A1.
Sorry I donot have new matrix so cannot give numbers. Pls correct me if its wrong. If 10k prof at cell 5 is selected to 14A1 then he will get more than newly selected prof in cell 2 of 14 A1.

iitmsriram said...

@anon quoting telegraph, pl. see my posts above dated Apr 4 and Apr 6. The fitment factor is 2.57 for everyone but the entry level pay goes up by 2.67 (below professor rank) or 2.72 (for professors). Fresh professors will get the benefit of 2.72, but seniors will get scale up of only 2.57.

@anon worrying about senior - junior issue, if a junior on promotion is getting more than a senior, this junior must have been getting more than the senior before both were promoted also. If senior got pushed back due to bunching at the time of pay commission revision, the same would have happened to the junior also. In your specific example, if the new promotee is getting more than "existing profs" in 14A1, these "existing profs" must have been getting less at level 14 previously before they got promoted to 14A1.

Anonymous said...

"AGP 6000 / 7000 / 8000 / 9000 / 9500 / 10500 / HAG to pay levels 10, 11, 12, 13, 13A, 14 and 15 respectively"

In this consider AGP 10000 also which is exists at NIT level. NIT professors are getting AGP 10,000.

iitmsriram said...

@anon, quoting "AGP 6000 ...", pl. read all the comments before posting

Anonymous said...

I suppose the question was whether in NITs both 10k and 10.5k is going to survive together. Now that is the case in many NITs. According to your posting interview and selection is must for flexible cadre. If a 10k prof fails what will be his level?

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Unknown said...

Why IIT NIT committee would look into AGP of 10K? There is no such grade pay in IITs and NITs as I understand. Pl correct me if I am wrong.

iitmsriram said...

@unknown, I would think you are wrong. There are professors in 10,000 AGP and associate professors in 9000 AGP in NITs and IIITs. These are legacy candidates from before the introduction of four tier flexi-cadre scales. In order to move to 10500 and 9500 AGP, these legacy candidates have to go through selection committee and those who have not been successful would still be at 10000 and 9000.

Anonymous said...

dear iitsriram,
Was there any discussion on "Tax on perks"?

Anonymous said...

dear prof.sriram, whether committee has retained the cap of 40% for prof. HAG scale or all eligible profs can become prof HAG?

Anonymous said...

What are the recommendations of the committee regarding retired faculty members ?

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Anonymous said...

Hello @iitmsriram, what will be the Pay matrix level transition in Mishra Committee recommendations from AGP 8000 to AGP 9000 for assistant professors in IIT X? Will it be 12 to 13A smooth transition after three years?

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Ankur Kulkarni said...

What do levels 10, 11, 12 start at? According to the matrix shared by Prof Madras they start at 56100, 67700, 78800. These are less than the current pay for AGP 6000, 7000, 8000.

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Anonymous said...

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/services/education/pay-panel-suggests-two-entry-level-grades-for-centrally-funded-technical-institutes/articleshow/58249465.cms

Just saw the above media report on the recommendations, albeit brief. However, I don't underastand the motive behind changing the names of entry level designations (AP Grade II and Grade I from AP contractual and AP regular, respectively). How is it going to boost the faculty intake, as suggested in the report, considering there is virtually no change in career progression/salary. Need some enlightenment!

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram This is regarding PB4 for Assistant Profs. There are a few Asst. Prof in IITB who are on PB4 (with just 3-4 years of post PhD). Is this true in all IITs? I was under the impression, you need to be 6 years post PhD to be eligible for PB4.

Anonymous said...

@anonymous, I suppose, this PB-4 is for Assistant Profs having completed 3 years in AGP-8000/-; but AGP will be 9000/- with designation reaming Assistant Prof till achieve Associate Prof. through evaluation for 9500/-.

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram have any changes related to terms and conditions of a.p on contract services been recommended by the committee.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
Many of the faculties in NIT, still they are in AGP 6000 or AGP7000 due to no direct/CAS recruitment for the past 6 years (due to CAS abolishment by MHRD as well as court cases). What will be fate of this faculty. They will be treated us grade I or grade II assistant professor as per 7th pay commission.
regards

Anonymous said...

Dear Prof. Sriram,

In continuation with the previous message, I would like to further clarify that there are quite a few Assistant Professors with AGPs of Rs. 7000 in NITs, but in regular post with more than 6 years of post-PhD experience or even more. It is because prior to 2014, AGP of Rs. 7000 was considered regular post after obtaining PhD degree. Ironically, they have already fulfilled other essential criteria for PB4 (or Associate Prof.) in terms of PhD supervision, sponsored projects and publication in reputed SCI journals in addition to regular teaching and administrative assignments. This stagnancy for the faculties in some of the NITs are attributed to the lack of interviews in the past three years or so, as my colleague has correctly pointed out. Therefore, judicious direction may please be provided by the committee to map the existing faculties based on both current AGP and overall performance and years of teaching/research experience. If it is solely based on the current AGP, many long serving regular faculties in NITs with AGP Rs. 7000 may eventually be mapped in Assistant Professor Grade-II i.e. in the entry level even after satisfying the criteria for PB4. In that case, their suffering will persist forever. It is a humble submission for logical assessment of the situation for the existing faculties before finalising the guideline in this regard.

Best regards

Anonymous said...

Anon above just curious about the reasons of "lack of interviews in the past three years or so"?

Anonymous said...

There are few reasons for the lack of interviews in some of NITs.

1. During implementation of 6th pay commission (2009), 3-tier faculty structure was prevalent in NIT system in which AGP of Rs. 7000 and higher was considered regular post. Suddenly, in 2014 there was notification from MHRD regarding replacement of then existing 3-tier structure with 4-tier structure like in IITs and IISc with specific criteria primarily based on performance. The detail of which can be found in the following link.

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQ-azBj7_TAhVGO48KHYwdDfAQFggnMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnitcouncil.org.in%2Fdata%2Fpdf%2Fnews%2FFour-Tier%2520Norms%2520and%2520Revised%2520RRs.pdf&usg=AFQjCNH7LsuSWWkH28d64jkbG2Ms39aTVg&sig2=Izj7qLSjxWie4w7UzKH5lw

There were a large number of anomalies which could not be sorted out in the Institute-level yet and consequently there were a sizable number of court cases in many NITs. This led to postponement of interviews in many NITs till court verdicts or clarification from MHRD were obtained.

2. In the last one year or so, it has been heard, interviews in all NITs have been halted due to non-availability of Visitor's (President) Nominee with the previous list dissolved by MHRD.

Therefore, NIT faculty community is eagerly awaiting the clarification of 3-tier/4-tier anomalies from MHRD before implementation of 7th pay commission. It is also hoped that Visitor's Nominee is finalised at the earliest so that interview process can be initiated.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
Whatever be the reason, it was not a fault of AGP6000/AGP7000 NIT faculty. Similarly as nicely pointed out, even many faculty member has post Ph.D. experience more than 6 years with required credentials. Hence many NIT faculty has eagerly waiting for 7th pay commission to solve the anomaly as well as it will make path for future promotion.
Regards

Anonymous said...

Based on the discussion, it looks like four tier/three tier direct AGP 8000 (Basic 30000) will not be same as AGP 8000 CAS based promotee in NIT system. Hence whether most of the faculty in NIT system in AGP 8000 based on CAS interview due to absence of direct recruitment for the past 5 years. Whether these faculty will be consider for AP grade I or grade II.
Best Regards

iitmsriram said...

@NIT anons, these issues were raised at the committee, but the committee (rightly, in my opinion) decided that these are not pay revision issues but recruitment and promotion issues that have to be handled either at the individual institution or at the NIT council.

Anonymous said...

@iitmsriram, Thank you for your response. However, our query was whether AGP 6000/7000 faculties in REGULAR POSITION (for 6-8 years) in NIT will be mapped to Assistant Professor Grade-II or Grade-I in 7th CPC.
If it is solely based on the current AGP only, many long serving regular faculties in NITs with AGP Rs. 6000/7000 may eventually be mapped in Assistant Professor Grade-II i.e. in the entry level even after satisfying the criteria for PB4. In that case, their suffering will persist forever. It is a humble submission for logical assessment of the situation for the existing faculties before finalising the guideline in this regard.

Thanks again.

Anonymous said...

As I understand this particular issue is handled by Prof Ashok Dey committee. He sought feedback and must have submitted the report.

Anonymous said...

Dear NIT people, It is a fault of your side. You people are not allowing to grow anyone in your system. The NIT professors do not want to conduct the interviews at NITs though the existing professors are enjoying with the powers by doing nothing in research and teaching. For ensuring this, you can check the academic profile of professors in NITs website. Even people are expecting to promote as a professor without having any SCI papers and research projects. Prof Ashok Dey committe was also proposing the worst recommendations to MHRD to promote the faculties at NIT without any SCI papers and projects. It is sure that the NIT standard again will be degraded and will not be in the race of at least NIRF rankings(forget about world ranking). Prof Ashok Dey committee recommendations have many loop holes for professors to play politics in promotions. Further, it again leads to lot of court cases for another decade. Because of the reason, Youngsters are left their jobs in some NITs to join in private/IITs/abroad. It must be sure that NIT ranking become very worse in future as private deemed universities will be ranked among these NITs.
Note: Only solution for this issues is that you can ask MHRD to conduct direct recruitment once in year with the MHRD guidelines of 2014.

Anonymous said...

Please share the information when MHRD will release the final order on the pay revision of the faculty CFTIs.

Anonymous said...

@anon: 'Dear Nit' ....I fully agreed. People are screaming in the system and situation is pathetic. Still someone discuss about senior, junior, hierarchy, etc in the blog. Crazy !!!!

Anonymous said...

Some of Prof. Ashok De committee suggestions for NITs:

*07 non-compounded increment will be given at the entry level post in AGP 6000/.For entry at 7000/- AGP pay should be fixed by giving 8 increments with AGP 6000/- and fix it in 7000/-.
** In all cases equivalency should be drawn as under:
•Worth 15 lakhs Sponsored Projects completed = One PhD Guided = Two Journalpapers in SCI/Scopus/Web of Science
•4Credit point =01Journal paper in SCI/Scopus/Web of science.
 One time Accelerated Promotion Scheme should be implemented w.e.f. 1.5.2013 till 30.4.2017 for the existing faculty member on roll on 30.4.13
At least one direct recruitment / year.
Extra teaching load as credit point in equivalence will be considered over and above the compulsory teaching experience acquired as EQ.
For existing faculty in a specific cadre as on date satisfying the EQ in corresponding cadre will be placed in 4 tier system through a Screening Committee duly constituted by BoG as one time measure and it will be effective notionally from the date of their eligibility. Any faculty who is satisfying EQ of Higher Cadre has to go through proper selection process.
For existing faculty members who completed their Ph.D. along with their normal teaching load; the post Ph. D. experience may not be insisted. The total minimum experience may be counted as prescribed in EQ. This will be only one time measure.
# Contribution to Institute Administration is measured as
•2 Credit/ Semesters = HOD, Dean, Chief Warden , Head (TPSW)
•1.0 Credit/Semester = Warden (2 yrscompleted), Associate Dean (2yrs completed)
•0.5 Credit = Chairman and Convener of different standing committee and special committee (Ex officio status will not be considered). Faculty in charges. (Each for one year duration) of different Units like admission, examination, Computer Center or IT Services, library, Departmental UG and PG coordinator setcon completion of term.
•Contribution to Institute Administration should be recommended by concerned Head/ Chairman and approved by the Director.
# Credit is defined as
•01hour theory class in UG/PG = 1 Credit
•03 hours lab class in UG/PG = 1.5 Credit
•For UG Projects completed: 0.5 Credits per project group upto a max of 02 credits per batch.
•For PG Projects completed: 01 Credit/ Student or group upto a max of 04 credits per batch.

Anonymous said...

It may not be the fault of only NITs Professors. The bad practices are actually propagated from the MHRD itself. There are many NIT Directors (appointed by MHRD), who do not even fulfill all the requirements of Associate Professors in four-tier flexible system but they are all enjoying the top post and naturally they always prefer the like minded people around them.This makes the entire NIT system even worse than the earlier REC system.I think MHRD should take the appropriate steps in this direction. Also a centralized NITs faculty recruitment board should be constituted so that every NITs faculty faces the same rules/norms for recruitment/promotions.

Anonymous said...

Why Prof. Giri and Prof. Madras not suggested the performance based incentive schemes in IITs/IISCs/NITs like western/US universities? Why they are only looking for Age and time bound promotions? Will time bound promotion help to improve the quality of Indian higher education and ranking system?
I presumed that the NIRF 2017 ranking will answered. However, looking for the great reply from profs though discussion is not relevant to this particular blog.

Anonymous said...

Dear iitmsriram

With reference to your post on 19th April 2017 at 7:50PM, as mentioned by you that,

"committee has recommended that "AP grade I may automatically move to pay level 13A1 once they have 6 years of relevant experience". Also, AP grade I is to be eligible to apply for associate professor if they have 6 years relevant experience"

Is it same for all IIT, NIT, IIIT and CFTIs assistant professors?

Kindly reply.

Regards

Anonymous said...

Prof. Giri

With reference to your post on 19th April 2017 at 7:50PM, as mentioned by you that,

"committee has recommended that "AP grade I may automatically move to pay level 13A1 once they have 6 years of relevant experience". Also, AP grade I is to be eligible to apply for associate professor if they have 6 years relevant experience"

Is it same for all IIT, NIT, IIIT and CFTIs assistant professors?

Kindly reply.

Anonymous said...

"Prof. Giri

With reference to your post on 19th April 2017 at 7:50PM, as mentioned by you that,


Prof. Giri has made no such statements. kindly check

iitmsriram said...

@anon, my comment of April 19th is applicable only to institutions following "4 tier structure" = IITs, IISc, IIM, NIT, IIIT etc. Other CFTI (SPA etc) do not have automatic movement to 13A1 as 13A1 is associate professor - so this will involve selection / promotion.

Anonymous said...

No recruitment rules work for NITs. Somehow, all faculty would pass any interview/selection. Only wayout is, to offer NITs something like UGC, time bound promotion. Otherwise, 7cpc also ends in court. Higher scale to be offered only to top NIRF rank institutes, including IITs/CFTIs/central universities, with faculty appraisal evaluation.

Anonymous said...

Hello does anyone know the actual recommendations made by Ashok Lavasa committee regarding the HRA? I understand that union government has approved the recommendations made by this committee regarding the allowances based on seventh pay commission recommendations.

Anonymous said...

Important thing is when and what MHRD will notify for CFTIs faculty............

Unknown said...

Urgent Communication from AIFUCTO General Secretary:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Friends,
Greetings from AIFUCTO.
Today on 10th May,2017 ,Hon'ble Minister HRD Sri Prakash Javadekar invited AIFUCTO leadership for discussions on 7th UGC PRC Recomendations and other important issues.After 40 minutes long discussions on each and every issue with AIFUCTO ,the Minister clearly assured the delegation that the issue of Pay Scales is on fast track and in advance stage and he expressed hope that it would be finalised within one month.Hon'ble minister further said that after finalisation of the report ,it will be discussed with AIFUCTO.
After meeting with minister, AIFUCTO secretariat met in Delhi and reviewed the situations after assurances of the Minister.In the light of Minister's request and assurances,AIFUCTO Secretariat unanimously decided to postpone the Dharna Programme on 15th May,before UGC in Delhi.
Delegation includes Prof. Kesab Bhattacharya,Prof. Arun Kumar,Prof. D Kr, Prof. Jagwant Singh, Prof. Biswajit Bhuyan,Prof. Binayak Bhattacharya, Prof. Madhu Pranjape and Prof .B. Parthsarthy.
Yours friendly,
Arun Kumar,
General Secretary,
AIFUCTO

Unknown said...

Urgent Communication from AIFUCTO General Secretary:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Friends,
Greetings from AIFUCTO.
Today on 10th May,2017 ,Hon'ble Minister HRD Sri Prakash Javadekar invited AIFUCTO leadership for discussions on 7th UGC PRC Recomendations and other important issues.After 40 minutes long discussions on each and every issue with AIFUCTO ,the Minister clearly assured the delegation that the issue of Pay Scales is on fast track and in advance stage and he expressed hope that it would be finalised within one month.Hon'ble minister further said that after finalisation of the report ,it will be discussed with AIFUCTO.
After meeting with minister, AIFUCTO secretariat met in Delhi and reviewed the situations after assurances of the Minister.In the light of Minister's request and assurances,AIFUCTO Secretariat unanimously decided to postpone the Dharna Programme on 15th May,before UGC in Delhi.
Delegation includes Prof. Kesab Bhattacharya,Prof. Arun Kumar,Prof. D Kr, Prof. Jagwant Singh, Prof. Biswajit Bhuyan,Prof. Binayak Bhattacharya, Prof. Madhu Pranjape and Prof .B. Parthsarthy.
Yours friendly,
Arun Kumar,
General Secretary,
AIFUCTO

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
Any updates on CFTI 7th pay commission report. Regards

Unknown said...

When non teaching employees of Nits will get 7 pay commission benifits.

IIITian said...

HRD Going to approve Ashok De committee recommendations on 26 or 28 May. All the best for NIT faculties. You need not to work much(publishing papers and research project) in forthcoming years as promotions will be very easy. You people are going to be superior than IIX and getting same salary.

They are going to consider Ph.D period also as a experience and promoting part time Ph.D.(higher quality) instead of full time Ph.D.(Full time Ph.D. period will not be counted as experience).

Anonymous said...

Sir,

I am Asst. Professor (Contract) with AGP 7000 in a NIT recruited through four tyre faculty recruitment. Now, I completed 4 years after PhD and got funded project and 2 SCI publications. Since no interview is happening, I am still continuing in the same AGP in Contract. I would like to know how the 7 th pay implementation will be applicable to me and what happens to our post if the interview does not happens for many years since there are many court cases related to recruitment.

Kindly reply.

Anonymous said...

Dear NIT Asst Prof u may have to wait till 8th CPC. NITs deserve a system like local college system of UGC. Now with point system u will get salary also like college. Forget about IIX.

NITian said...

The Ashok De committee is the committee of academically dead people and its recommendations are only to demotivate the hard working faculties in NITs and to damage the entire NIT system so that the people like him can grow faster.

Anonymous said...


look at the proposed RR rules:

http://nitpy.ac.in/assets/pdfs/2017/proposed_rec.pdf

Is there any possibility to motivate the people to work hard in NIT System?

I think the NITs will be closed down soon. Even the ranking of NITs is poor and private universities are in top position.

Anonymous said...

Hello NITian,

It seems that you have personal grudge against Prof. Asok De. Instead of blatantly criticizing the him or the recommendations of his committee, you should have provided your valuable suggestions when it was circulated to all NITs. Have you thought of why 4-tier structure miserably failed in NIT system in terms of uniform implementations among all cadres resulting in agony and depression among even the high performing faculties? Are you aware of these facts? I suggest before commenting on so called demotivating factors in proposed RR rules, you look back on the several anomalies of 4-tier system. MHRD lost in court battle owing to inherent lacuna, lack of clear guidelines in 4-tier system of NIT. May I know if the existing 4-tier system is such a great one, why the current ranking of NITs is poor compared IITs? On the other hand, if faculty recruitment policy is such perfect then why could they never even come close to the QS ranking of Ivy league schools or others like MIT, Stanford univ etc.? The answer is there is no direct correlation between faculty recruitment criteria and university/Institute ranking. There are so many other factors as well.
I have been observing too much of negative bias against NIT system presenting only one side of the coin, because of which I had to respond. There are many NIT faculties with very credentials (in terms of projects, quality SCI publications, PhD supervision and many more) who are suffering owing to whimsical implementation of 4-tier system by the concerned administration. It is well known that torture cannot bring in motivation or any innovative idea. I am commenting here only after consulting many faculties from different NITs. One of the objectives of Prof. Asok De's committee is to get rid of these anomalies and tyrannical power of the concerned administration. The majority of current generation of NIT faculties are the graduates of some IITs or other reputed Institutes. Therefore, they will hardly bother about the faculty recruitment criteria (strict or diluted) in the long run. They have broader vision to take their Institute forward with their sincere and hard work. Therefore, while we could not criticise the previous 4-tier system which finally proved to be a failed one, we should atleast appreciate the sincere effort of Prof. Asok De’s committee taking into consideration a major population of NIT faculties.

Anonymous said...

I completely agree with Anonymous (posted on May 25, 2017 at 7:43 PM). There are are many suffering due to the existing 4-tier system. The authority, if want, can go the edge of sanity (or insanity) to torture/harass someone with the current 4-tier system. This 4-tier system should be changed. I think Anonymous (posted on May 25, 2017 at 11:54 AM) probably confused with words motivation and torture.

Anonymous said...

Agree with Anonymous (posted on May 25, 2017 at 7:43 PM).

Anonymous said...

Looking at above situation at NITs, they are not yet ready to get IIT scale. Over long run it may be given. What is more important is faculty,s perception and vision. Directors and Deans lack it. It appears that it can only get worse with 7cpc ending in court and all young faculty with post doc etc will continue in 15600 scale for next 10 yrs and those without PhD may get few increments. May concerned committees convince authorities to roll back to time bound system. We donot need higher salary but regular promotion and facility like CPDA to enhance research output. Also VRS scheme like banks may help.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
People from outside may not understand the real situation/feeling of NIT faculty members and they can easily criticise.
NIT's the system was stand still for 5 - 8 years, there was no recruitment for so many years.
The most affected is Assistant Professor (pay scale: 15600-36500) especially in AGP 6000/7000 (Many of them they missed the promotion by in days/month etc. ) and now they are waiting for 6 -8 years expecting something to happens. This poor people they can not raise their voice in the respective NIT's and most of them administration will not listen or bother, because they were in lower cadre.
Here most of the Assistant Professor expectation/prayer is :
Whether you follow any system (it may three tier/four tier/IIT/UGC or any rules & regulation or promotion policy), the first of all recruitment should happens and the system should function and it should not stand still for so many years.
Regards

Ranjith Maniyeri said...
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Anonymous said...

Hello,

what is the future of Assistant Professor(Contract) who recruited through 4 Tyre system in NITs. The administration says that their term is only for 5 years(contract period). If recruitment doesn't happen in 5 years will they be terminated after contract period. Any idea ?

NITian said...

Hello Anonymous (posted on May 25, 2017 at 7:43 PM),
Four tier system NITs have been manipulated because of big professors in NITs. Most of the professors in NITs are even not eligible for associate prof position in 4 tier system. So such profs in admin level opposing and manipulation in all NITs. Even 90% of the persons have very good credentials still in assistant prof level. Existing profs don't want promote them and playing politics to degrade them. The existing professors are the culprits for failure of the 4tier. Just write this comment after analysing the profile of NIT faculties.
Only non performing and academically deficient profs in admin and dean levels, how you can expect the growth of the Institute? So they don't want to conduct the recruitment at any institute.

Anonymous said...

All new asst profs @ 30k+8k and associate prof @ 42k+9.5k recruited at NITs without 4 tier credentials shall be fired asp without clearing probation
These were fake recruitment by cotrupt nit directors by taking bribe.

Ram said...

देशभर के 31 एनआईटी में शिक्षकों के 3000 रिक्त पदों को भरा जाएगा। 1500 पद इस साल और शेष पद अगले साल तक भरे जाएंगे। शुक्रवार को राजधानी शिमला में हुई राष्ट्रीय प्रौद्योगिकी, विज्ञान विषय और अनुसंधान संस्थानों की परिषद की 10वीं बैठक में यह फैसला लिया गया।
बैठक की अध्यक्षता केंद्रीय मानव संसाधन विकास मंत्री प्रकाश जावडे़कर ने की। राज्य मंत्री महेंद्र नाथ पांडे भी बैठक में मौजूद रहे।
शिमला स्थित भारतीय उच्च अध्ययन संस्थान में आयोजित बैठक में 31 नेशनल इंस्टीट्यूट ऑफ टेक्नालॉजी (एनआईटी) और सात इंडियन इंस्टीट्यूट आफ साइंस एंड रिसर्च (आईआईएसईआर) को मजबूत करने के लिए 200 करोड़ रुपये की योजना को भी मंजूरी दी गई।

योजना के तहत देश में नए रिसर्च एवं इनोवेटिव पार्क स्थापित किए जाएंगे। फेलोशिप को बढ़ाया जाएगा। केंद्रीय मंत्री जावडे़कर ने बताया कि एनआईटी में शिक्षकों की चार स्तरीय नियुक्ति प्रक्रिया है। इस कारण कानूनी मामले बढ़ रहे हैं।

केंद्र सरकार ने इस नियुक्ति प्रक्रिया को अब बदलने का फैसला लिया है। गैर शिक्षकों की नियुक्ति के लिए भी सरकार काम कर रही है। उन्होंने कहा कि एनआईटी और आईआईएसईआर देश के प्रतिष्ठित संस्थान हैं। एनआईटी में एक लाख से ज्यादा विद्यार्थी पढ़ रहे हैं।

Ram said...

Kuldeep Chauhan

Tribune News Service

Shimla, May 26
The Human Resource Development Ministry today decided to scrap the four-staged recruitment process of teachers at the National Institutes of Technology (NITs) and overhaul their training to stop brain drain. The Ministry’s National Council also decided to fill all vacant posts of teachers in NITs and also introduce new courses.

HRD Minister Prakash Javadekar stated this at the10th meeting of the Council of National Institutes of Technology, Science Education and Research at the Indian Institute of Advanced Studies here.

He said the 3,000 seats that had remained vacant in NITs across the country last year would be filled up in a series of eight counseling rounds by introducing new courses. The four-staged recruitment of teachers in the NITs would be scrapped and a new system would be put in place to avoid litigation that plagued the old system.

He said the training of the NIT teachers would be overhauled to check brain drain and increase the learning outcome and levels of students.

He said the government had no plans to open new NITs as of now as the Centre had already opened six IITs and seven AIIMS in the country.

Anonymous said...

Suicidal act by NITs. Now young faculty with PDF will move to other places.What will happen to NITs where already 4 tier is implemented? Now all senior profs will try for HAG without credentials and block it for others till their retirement due to 40% cap. govt can grade NITs using NIRF and offer 4 tier.

An-NITian said...

Now NIT's people will be free from all kind of teaching and research tensions and will get sufficient time to do their politics and personal businesses. God bless all NITs.

Anonymous said...

NIT faculty seems to be more interested in 7 CPC than others. Why bother about politics? 40% cap is there everywhere. See the central university. Do your job honestly and seriously. You will be rewarded.

Anonymous said...

Typical babus statement. Too many r preaching honesty.

Anonymous said...

Circulation in NIT was not for comments by faculty. Please check the letter by Chairman of committee himself before putting scathing comment on faculty to have commented at the time of circulation itself.

Anonymous said...

Now the modified rules for Associate Professors in NITs.

Associate Professor (6) years after Ph.D. of which at least 3 years at
the level of Assistant Professor
Or (9) years total working experience, of which
3 years should be after Ph.D., with at least
Ph.D with AGP 3 years at the level of Assistant Professor
with AGP Rs.8000/-.
PB-4 with
Rs.8000/-

Grade Pay of
Rs.9500/- with
a minimum
pay of
Rs.42800/-

Anonymous said...

Can you please clarify the 1st point i.e. "(6) years after Ph.D. of which at least 3 years at the level of Assistant Professor ". Does it pertain to only AGP Rs. 8000/- or AGP Rs. 7000/- with more than 6 years of post PhD experience? In another document received on 01-06-17, it is written
(6) years after Ph.D. of which at
least 3 years at the level of
Assistant Professor with AGP
Rs.8000/-
(9) years total working
experience, of which 3 years
should be after Ph.D., with at
least 3 years at the level of
Assistant Professor with AGP
Rs.8000/-."

If your statement is correct then it will be of greater help for major group of people unfortunately languishing at AGP Rs. 7000/- for many years (due to lack of interviews for many years)

Anonymous said...

If they consider pre Ph.D experience then all recently joined faculty will become Associate. Even present reserarch scholars r also eligible.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for pointing out the mistakes.

It is actually :

(6) years after Ph.D. of which at least 3 years at the level of Assistant Professor with AGP Rs.8000/-.

OR

(9) years total working experience, of which 3 years should be after Ph.D., with at least Ph.D with AGP 3 years at the level of Assistant Professor with AGP Rs.8000/-.

This is the part of the letter received on 01-06-2017.

Anonymous said...

The main problem in all NITs is 3 years in AGP 8000. Because of no interview, faculty never moved. when these committees and MHRD will stop producing these kind reports with many mistakes to take away life of faculty.

Anonymous said...

Can some one post what is the final repor. There r many versions in circulation

Anonymous said...

What about 7th cpc latest updates?

Anonymous said...

where is the final version of report?

Anonymous said...

Twitter with handle-
https://twitter.com/hashtag/NIT4tierOrForTEARS?src=hash

Anonymous said...

Why these guidelines are different from IITs. There should be the same qualification for the same post and scale.

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